Hunting is a coward's pastime!

Thank you.

Isn't it completely normal and likely that the lion wandered from its protected home range? Animals will do that. If it was collared and part of a study is it possible the collar worked its way into the lions mane rendering it invisible? The researchers surely would know the neibouring range was a hunting reserve, perhaps they should have taken greater steps to identify the animal for the event of it wandering into hunting territory?
Don't get me wrong, if this guy was in the wrong he should be held accountable, but clearly we are not privy to all the details.


The collar hidden in the lions mane! That's a stretch you evil bastard! Just kidding...

LOL bravo, that's officially the first sane comment I have heard on this topic!!! There is hope for humanity, I knew it! Every assumption made on this subject is that this guy is the villian we so badly need him to be. I mean, this year has been so boring and all...
 
Buying meat at Safeway is a coward's pastime. Compared to something more dangerous.

++++++++++++++++ 1 for all who don't condone hunting but eat meat. You are the true Cowards at least me and my hunting brothers understand how our meat makes it to our table. God does not provide it food wrapped on a styrofoam tray.

Kind of off topic but I need to say it.
 
I hunt, and I usually consider myself a trophy hunter...which simply means that in addition to the meat, I hope to keep some form of memento or remembrance of the animal, and therefore need to be more selective before I pull the trigger.
How much meat have you brought back into Canada from Africa? I'd be interested to know how you did it.

I am a bit confused about the bear rug thing...I have a couple of bear mounts (definite trophies, and thus evil), but also a beautiful bear rug that I now know is "kind of a trophy":rolleyes:...is that one also evil? I ate those bears...does that make killing them "kind of okay"?
Have you hunted lion or giraffe in Africa? How much of either did you eat? Spare me the usual Bwana BS about "the meat went to poor villagers."

Let's say you're a Canadian hunter in Africa, and therefore are legally required to hire a licenced PH (i.e. a guide). Even if you do as much research as possible to become familiar with the legalities surrounding your hunt, you are essentially at the mercy of the PH and must trust his word and his judgment to guide your own decisions and actions. If my PH (whether in Namibia, Newfoundland or North Dakota) tells me we are in a legal area, and the animal in front of me is a good specimen based on my criteria as we have previously discussed...I will trust him, and shoot.
Trusting or willfully blind? The PH set up on the border of a conservation area, used bait to lure the animal out of the protected area and the dentist shot it from a secure blind. It's like setting up a blind on the edge of African Lion Safari near Rockton and popping the first critter lured off the property.

Sorry, PETA, but if you don't want study animals to be shot...don't study them in areas where they are legally hunted. Oh, sorry, I forgot...you're not studying them...you're "saving" them.
PETA doesn't study the animals. Scientists do and they study them in protected areas where hunting is not allowed. In this instance, the animal was lured out of the area by unethical PHs and shot by his client in pursuit of a "trophy."
 
I am curious to know how much experience do you have hunting in Africa Claybuster?

Also what the hell do you have against lion, zebra, giraffes, etc, meat?

It’s very unlikely that you’ll find zebra, giraffe or antelope steak outside of Africa. At the restaurant of the Mara Safari Club Hotel, the meat is marinated, then seared in a pan. It’s served with a ramekin of sour cream and some tiny potatoes sautéed with a little onion and garlic.

Let me get this straight... You wouldn't eat this?


Have you hunted lion or giraffe in Africa? How much of either did you eat? Spare me the usual Bwana BS about "the meat went to poor villagers."


Trusting or willfully blind? The PH set up on the border of a conservation area, used bait to lure the animal out of the protected area and the dentist shot it from a secure blind. It's like setting up a blind on the edge of African Lion Safari near Rockton and popping the first critter lured off the property.
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How much meat have you brought back into Canada from Africa? I'd be interested to know how you did it.


Have you hunted lion or giraffe in Africa? How much of either did you eat? Spare me the usual Bwana BS about "the meat went to poor villagers."


Trusting or willfully blind? The PH set up on the border of a conservation area, used bait to lure the animal out of the protected area and the dentist shot it from a secure blind. It's like setting up a blind on the edge of African Lion Safari near Rockton and popping the first critter lured off the property.


PETA doesn't study the animals. Scientists do and they study them in protected areas where hunting is not allowed. The animals who get shot are lured out of those areas by unethical PHs and their low-life clients who are happy to look the other way just as long as they get their trophy.

I don't know if there is a legal way to bring meat back...I certainly didn't try to do it myself. I insisted on at least one meal from each critter, because I wanted to try them all. Despite your self-righteous smirking, I know that all meat was utilized. Animals shot on a privately-owned property in Botswana (over a quarter million acres, so please don't start with the high-fence nonsense) were used to feed the staff, and the choicest stuff was sold on the market (totally legal). Caprivi strip buffalo meat belonged to the villagers who "owned" the conservancy (a huge free-range area that encompassed a number of villages), and we were accompanied by a game scout or warden and required to transport the carcass back to the village and donate the meat. We had to formally request a bit for ourselves to try.

I hunted neither lion nor giraffe, but I would have insisted on trying the meat if I had shot one or the other. Whether or not I did would not have made a difference...when any animal is shot they utilize literally everything. Sorry if that doesn't fit into the framework of the picture you're trying to paint, but it is a fact. Game meat can be bought and sold legally in these places...it would be insane not to utilize it to the fullest degree. You say "poor villagers" in such a way as to imply that they aren't. Have you seen these people firsthand? Do you know anything about them, or have any idea of the sort of homes they live in, the sort of food they eat? I met a fellow in the Caprivi who was lucky enough to have one of the very limited lion permits that were available. He mentioned that one of the biggest problems he and his PH were having was the fact that lion baits were being stolen by the locals...they were eating the stuff. Meat hanging in a tree for several days in warm weather, putrified and dripping with maggots, was being stolen and eaten by these folks. Each assemblage of huts we visited usually surrounded a small clearing which contained a discarded oil drum, filled to the brim with warm green slimy fluid which we in Canada normally see only when we have our septic tanks pumped out...but over there this disgusting mixture was the latest batch of beer being brewed up. So how about this: why don't you spare me your BS?

I wasn't present when this guy shot his lion, so I don't know the details. You, on the other hand, seem to be familiar with all the facts surrounding the case, but somehow I don't trust you as a source any more than I trust the typical news media coverage of stories like this one. I saw a brief spot on TV a day or so ago about this story...when they used the term "murder" to describe the taking of this "beloved" animal, I switched the channel. I knew I'd soon be getting the "facts" from "experts" like you, so I didn't need the TV version.

And yes, studies are conducted by scientists, who may or may not have anything resembling legitimate credentials, but who do require funding and backing for their little camping trips. PETA does a lot of this type of sponsorship, and I suspect they choose their beneficiaries with care, and with an eye towards furthering their own agenda. I also suspect they quickly squash any studies that don't provide the findings they desire. Notice that I said that I "suspect" these things...I don't know them for a fact.

But, hey, I'll bet you do, and you'll quickly enlighten us all. Enjoy yourself.
 
I am an animal lover, but a PETA hater! The following quote by Marybeth Sweetland (PETA's former VP) sums it all up. When PETA does not even want people to have pets, or use any animal products or by products yet she needed insulin and was justified by saying
'"I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I'm not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals." --Glamour, January 1990
 
"Hunting is a coward's pastime" is written in this internationally published news article. I for one always try to put in a quick two cents in the comments of firearms related news articles and what not just to quickly and respectfully debunk some of the garbage that today's media puts out there.

The author of the article (and subscribers to such nonsense) need to learn their history, and how hunting and the birth of conservation actually saved the wildlife and habitat that we all enjoy today, hunters and non-hunters alike.
 
...yet she needed insulin and was justified by saying
'"I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it ... I'm not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don't see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals." --Glamour, January 1990

So the animals that died to preserve her life, actually sacrificed themselves for the greater good? Is that it? And since she apparently furthers the plight of these poor critters, her life must be placed above the lives of those sacrificial lambs, so that she can serve this greater good? Am I getting this right?

So has PETA moved away from that "a dog is a rat is a pig is a boy" mantra of years past? Some lives are worth more than others, it seems...at least the lives of PETAphiles.

This is too deep and confusing for me...I hope Claybuster clarifies this for us all.
 
The outrage about a single lion's death contrasts with the absolute silence for the daily deaths of hundreds and thousands of children in Africa. No one seems to be talking about their situations, just one declining dominant male lion with a clever name.

A few years ago the news in Eastern Ontario was on fire over a puppy mill raid. At first I reacted as the producers expected, then I noticed the 'rescuers' had English language writing on their neat matching golf shirts. The raid was in Quebec. The same telegenic blonde woman seemed to be in every shot. Never speaking, just 'saving the animals'. I wondered if she wasn't a plant and the story was manufactured for deeper motives. Back during Gulf War One, Saddam's media machine showed footage of a bombing raid on a supposed baby milk factory - those were the words on peoples' shirt 'Baby Milk Factory'. English wording on shirts in an Arab country. A few months later after the accuseds' case was heard, almost all the charges were dropped and the judge sentenced them to some very minor punishments. Was the judge in possession of all the facts, while the TV news crew only repeating the animal rescuers' message lines?
 
I am curious to know how much experience do you have hunting in Africa Claybuster?

Also what the hell do you have against lion, zebra, giraffes, etc, meat?

It’s very unlikely that you’ll find zebra, giraffe or antelope steak outside of Africa. At the restaurant of the Mara Safari Club Hotel, the meat is marinated, then seared in a pan. It’s served with a ramekin of sour cream and some tiny potatoes sautéed with a little onion and garlic.

Let me get this straight... You wouldn't eat this?
My time has been spent in South Africa and Namibia. Three times in the last three years on business in both countries in rural areas. My time there was spent with many people who hunt and guide and gave me a fascinating perspective on African hunting and trophies. It's big business and their objective is to give every North American whose read too much Hemingway the Great White Hunter experience.

I never saw giraffe or lion served on a menu anywhere. Lots of other game though, kudu, oryx, eland, zebra, springbok are frequently on the menu and often made into biltong. People in those countries generally don't eat giraffe and certainly not lion. :rolleyes:

Any hunter worthy of the name would scoff at shooting a giraffe. They are large animals, easy to spot in open areas, are not hard to get close to (I've done it,) typically non aggressive and the meat isn't in demand. Shooting one presents the same challenge as shooting a domestic cow in a field.

There are dangerous and demanding hunts available in Africa. The giraffe isn't one of them.
 
Now we all have to hate this hunter because betty white said the following LOL

"You don't want to hear some of the things I want to do to that man," the 93-year-old actress and animal activist Betty White said of Palmer. "It's such a heartbreaker. "
 
Now we all have to hate this hunter because betty white said the following LOL

"You don't want to hear some of the things I want to do to that man," the 93-year-old actress and animal activist Betty White

Wow...who would have thought that Betty White was such a horny old broad...?

Oh, wait...she means bad things...
 
I've been searching online for pics of Cecil and I only found one, out of the many, that shows part of the collar. I don't see how it could have been readily visible. He had a huge mane, if those were actually photos of him that were posted.
The collar hidden in the lions mane! That's a stretch you evil bastard! Just kidding...

LOL bravo, that's officially the first sane comment I have heard on this topic!!! There is hope for humanity, I knew it! Every assumption made on this subject is that this guy is the villian we so badly need him to be. I mean, this year has been so boring and all...
 
When a male lion is defeated by his rival or dies/disappears from the pride, the new alpha male kills all the cubs, drives away other males and starts over with his own brood. The whiners are upset at the potential deaths of Cecil's kids now.

Although he incidentally may have saved more lions than the lion he killed...Imo is still a monumental dumbass. Poacher and general all round POS. I'd rather he follow the rules and not be come the anti's poster child.

But your statement is not an untrue one and you make a good point!
 
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I've been searching online for pics of Cecil and I only found one, out of the many, that shows part of the collar. I don't see how it could have been readily visible. He had a huge mane, if those were actually photos of him that were posted.

The collar is irrelevant, there was no lion quota for the area, so killing any lion would have been illegal.

Now we all have to hate this hunter because betty white said the following LOL

I dislike this poacher, which is what people that illegally kill game animals are, because of all the negative attention that his illegal actions brought upon hunters and hunting in general.
 
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