T97 NSR Sight Question

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I really liked my T97 NSR, except for one thing: The front sight.

The front sight on rifles currently available for sale is basically an SKS sight:

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The front sight post drifts left and right inside the hood. This makes the sights unusable, as your eye doesn't know if it wants to center the post or the hood inside the rear aperture. The sight picture ends up looking like one of the two below:

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The design makes no sense, and sabotaged the entire rifle. I sold mine off because of this one problem.


However, in your own T97NSR announcement thread, the rifle pictured has a completely different front sight.

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The entire front sight base drifts left and right, keeping the front sight post in the center of the hood. This solves the problem (or rather, the new sight creates a problem where there wasn't one before), and is how all the original QBZ rifles are configured.


So why was it changed? Will we ever see the properly designed T97 in Canada?


I want to be the owner of a T97 rifle again, but only if the sights are usable.
 
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get a T97 FTU and ignore the ####ty iron sights. FTU makes the T97 a very fun to use firearm. Now just to fix the mag release and safety and BAM
 
Because I liked the fact that it was slim, light, rugged, simple and inexpensive. I enjoy shooting with irons.

The FTU is a nice bit of kit if you want to mount optics but for me the FTU negates all the things I like about the T97.
 
Jarvy said:
Because I liked the fact that it was slim, light, rugged, simple and inexpensive. I enjoy shooting with irons.

The FTU is a nice bit of kit if you want to mount optics but for me the FTU negates all the things I like about the T97.
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I would argue the only characteristic you listed a T97 with an FTU mounted isn't/doesn't have is inexpensive. And really, an FTU isn't that expensive. My FTU is still in great shape and it rides along in my truck with me whenever the situation dictates.
 
I agree completely. When I first saw the prototype at P&D in Edm (when it was making the rounds), I marveled at the front sight base system they used. The base itself was adjustable for windage. Finally, some forward thinking!

When the rifle finally hits production, they go with the same old tired Ak/SKS type sight and base.

Maybe the next variation will be better. While they're at it, they need to provide a bit better back sight aperture system as well.

Jarvy said:
I really liked my T97 NSR, except for one thing: The front sight.

The front sight on rifles currently available for sale is basically an SKS sight:

0oH4mI9.jpg


The front sight post drifts left and right inside the hood. This makes the sights unusable, as your eye doesn't know if it wants to center the post or the hood inside the rear aperture. The sight picture ends up looking like one of the two below:

hMDhP6n.jpg


The design makes no sense, and sabotaged the entire rifle. I sold it because of this one problem.


However, in your own T97NSR announcement thread, the rifle pictured has a completely different front sight.

5BccfIj.jpg


The entire front sight base drifts left and right, keeping the front sight post in the center of the hood. This solves the problem, and is how all the original QBZ rifles are configured.


So why was it changed? Will we ever see the properly designed T97 in Canada?


I want to be the owner of a T97 rifle again, but only if the sights are usable.
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Sudsy15 said:
I would argue the only characteristic you listed a T97 with an FTU mounted isn't/doesn't have is inexpensive. And really, an FTU isn't that expensive. My FTU is still in great shape and it rides along in my truck with me whenever the situation dictates.
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"If you want to shoot irons, you should buy a dremel, cut the irons off, then pay a few hundred dollars to replace plastic parts with heavier metal ones, then attach some flip up irons."

Can you please understand why I don't see this as a solution?

All I want to know is why the original front sight design, which is a perfectly good system, which is found on every version of the QBZ rifle in existence except the T97 NSR, wasn't used.
 
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Jarvy said:
It's probably cost cutting, but I'm also curious if NS even knew about the change, and if it's possible to get proper rifles made.
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I think I would have run my T97 as a strictly irons gun if it looked "better" - ie more FAMAS like, and had a diopter set that did not run counter to how they normally are. A pin hole for 100 seems asinine.

If a carry handle was attached to a picatinny rail, that would have been ideal. Oh! And folding, whilst I am still wistfully wishing!
 
7offsuit2 said:
I think I would have run my T97 as a strictly irons gun if it looked "better" - ie more FAMAS like, and had a diopter set that did not run counter to how they normally are. A pin hole for 100 seems asinine.
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Rather than using the rear sights for range, I figured I'd just do what I do for my AR - Zero it for 300 and then never touch it again. Just choose the aperture size that is most comfortable.

There seemed to be some nice aftermarket rails made by a Chinese company but from what I can tell they never went into actual production. Too bad, they looked nice! I preferred the one that keeps the original silhouette myself. Best thing is they look like drop-in parts, no modification required.

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Stupidmonkey said:
get a T97 FTU and ignore the ####ty iron sights. FTU makes the T97 a very fun to use firearm. Now just to fix the mag release and safety and BAM
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And add a feed ramp to fix the FTF issues, make the magwell to spec to actually fit ALL AR15 mags properly, don't overdrill the gas ports.....lol
 
Hitzy said:
And add a feed ramp to fix the FTF issues, make the magwell to spec to actually fit ALL AR15 mags properly, don't overdrill the gas ports.....lol
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I've never had issues with my feed ramp, or magazines... And I don't even know what you're talking about with the gas ports.
 
ShawnC6 said:
I've never had issues with my feed ramp, or magazines... And I don't even know what you're talking about with the gas ports.
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I guess you missed the gas port holes that were drilled too deep, into the lower part of the rifling through the chrome plating....I think it was officially called "the gouge".
 
Yeah I got a 14xx serial number and it was completely reliable, and the barrel looked good. The safety and mag release I could live with, the sights were what got me, especially once I saw the original sight design was perfectly fine.
 
Yeah mines 14###x too

The safety is about to be fixed by my LHG. Mag release I don't mind. And factory sights worked for the couple weeks I had em before I got the FTU.
 
EMEI contracted guns... are not the same as the ones used by their Military or Police. North Sylva contracted these out to their own specs obviously, with cost cutting in mind. Even the Cambodian Military export models are made at a much better quality.

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North Sylva contracted these out to their own specs obviously, with cost cutting in mind.
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This is something I want clarified, because the T97As that were made prohib seem to have the proper sights, then the sample models of the T97NSR that North Sylva passed around seem to have the proper sights, so what happened to the production version? Did EMEI pull a fast one?
 
I already forward the question to my friend in EMEI R&D, let's see what he will say.

I myself notice the same problem as well after I ordered a QBZ95 RIS system, and I notice a piece of the RIS system can not be installed becaused the front sight of 97 has a different shape compare to QBZ95.
 
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