Registration Certificate vs Notification of Transfer for Restricteds

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We are having a bit of a debate here, can a Notification of Transfer (received by e-mail on request after CFO approval of a restricted transfer) be carried with your restricted when being transported while waiting for the official Registration Certificate, usually received in the mail, 2-3 weeks after approval ?
PS this is Ontario

I have found these 2 items on the subject:
117.03 (1) Notwithstanding section 117.02, a peace officer who finds
(a) a person in possession of a firearm who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess the firearm and a registration certificate for the firearm, or
(b) a person in possession of a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition who fails, on demand, to produce, for inspection by the peace officer, an authorization or a licence under which the person may lawfully possess it,
may seize the firearm, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device or prohibited ammunition unless its possession by the person in the circumstances in which it is found is authorized by any provision of this Part, or the person is under the direct and immediate supervision of another person who may lawfully possess it.

Return of seized thing on production of authorization

(2) Where a person from whom any thing is seized pursuant to subsection (1) claims the thing within fourteen days after the seizure and produces for inspection by the peace officer by whom it was seized, or any other peace officer having custody of it,


Firearm Registration
Registration Requirements
On April 5, 2012, Bill C-19, Ending the Long-gun Registry Act, came into effect. The key changes are as follows:
Removal of the requirement to register non-restricted firearms
Destruction of the existing non-restricted firearms registration records
Allowing the transferor of a non-restricted firearm to obtain confirmation of a transferee's firearms acquisition licence prior to the transfer being finalized
It is important to note that the new law does not change the requirement for all individuals to hold a licence in order to possess a firearm. The licensing, safety training and safe storage requirements for anyone who uses or owns a firearm continue to be in force.
The legislation also does not impact registration requirements for restricted or prohibited firearms.
All restricted or prohibited firearms must have a valid Canadian registration certificate. To be able to register a firearm, an applicant must be at least 18 years old and have a firearms licence allowing them to possess that class of firearm.
Owners of restricted and prohibited firearms that were registered in the former Restricted Weapons Registration System were required to re-register their firearms in the Canadian Firearms Information System by January 1, 2003, to update the information and link it to their licence.
A registration certificate issued under the Firearms Act does not have to be renewed unless the firearm is modified in a way that changes its class. When a restricted or prohibited firearm changes ownership, it will be registered to the new owner as part of transfer process. When someone borrows a restricted or prohibited firearm, they must also borrow the registration certificate for that firearm.
 
Always wait for the the actual registration certificate. The police officer may give you a break but strictly speaking it is black and white - no gray.
 
The Criminal Code might say the offence of Transporting without the Registration can be reversed if you later produce it, but there are also other offences. You can be nailed for in a place not authorized, contrary to Regulations, maybe anything else they want.

The Regulations bit ultimately references your Authorization to Transport; what does it say? ‘The holder must be in Possession of the Registration Cerfiticate(s) for the firearm(s) being Transported’ maybe? If you only have the Transfer Notification, it won't satisfy the quote I gave.

Besides, the police can impound your car every time they catch you driving without your licence. You can then go down to the station, show it, and get it back. An exaggeration, but how many times do you wish to go through with such a process, before you just decide to carry your card like they say you should?
 
A few years back I called the CFO and asked them this very question; answer was a resounding NO, they are completely different documents.
Yes, it doesn't make sense, but that's the law.
 
The notice of Transfer has the new regristration certificate number on it ,that is what should be important however as written the law requires a seperate piece of paper with the same number on it.
It is total nonsence but it is the law, I always wait for the Certificate.
 
BC specifically said no. I would imagine that ON would say the same thing.
Then again... my ATT also prohibits it. Someone else has an ATT in Ontario that says it's fine to move without a certificate.
 
I have a suggestion:
Given that the "Notice of Transfer" contains the same basic data that is on the "Registration Certificate", and the transfer notice is available via e-mail, almost instantly (to those who ask)
why don't they combine the two documents into one document (huge paper and process savings..I'll bet) and e-mail out immediately upon transfer approval ? Can you just imagine the savings in mail costs alone!! and as a bonus, we would receive our certificates very much sooner.
The snail mail route would still be available to non-computer users.
How many transfers are processed each year ? times $1.00 per mailing (this doesn't even come close to the cost of the current paper processing)
 
Brewster20 said:
I have a suggestion:
Given that the "Notice of Transfer" contains the same basic data that is on the "Registration Certificate", and the transfer notice is available via e-mail, almost instantly (to those who ask)
why don't they combine the two documents into one document (huge paper and process savings..I'll bet) and e-mail out immediately upon transfer approval ? Can you just imagine the savings in mail costs alone!! and as a bonus, we would receive our certificates very much sooner.
The snail mail route would still be available to non-computer users.
How many transfers are processed each year ? times $1.00 per mailing (this doesn't even come close to the cost of the current paper processing)
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Haha. That's a good idea. Yet the CFO has no problem with sending a snail
Mail letter to let you know that your ATT club rep... Has your ATT that was emailed to them and they already sent it to you...
 
When I had that question both the legislation and the firearms centre person I talked too were clear. Wait for the cert
 
The interesting part of this is that a NOT and STATT appears to be sufficient for taking an acquisition home from a dealer. Explain that one.

M
 
gnmontey said:
The interesting part of this is that a NOT and STATT appears to be sufficient for taking an acquisition home from a dealer. Explain that one.

M
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The difference being the conditions on the two ATTs

The one you get from the dealer to home will not say posses the reg cert on it, your long term one does.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
The difference being the conditions on the two ATTs

The one you get from the dealer to home will not say posses the reg cert on it, your long term one does.

Shawn
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Well there you go, I didn't notice that detail.

Thanks,

M
 
Here's how I got around this ... I met the seller at my range ... (Ontario CFO advised me that I didn't need a separate STATT in this instance) picked up went inside had fun. Permanent Reg cert arrived within the week and I was good ...
 
dfemia01 said:
Here's how I got around this ... I met the seller at my range ... (Ontario CFO advised me that I didn't need a separate STATT in this instance) picked up went inside had fun. Permanent Reg cert arrived within the week and I was good ...
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Two things:

1) unless you actually talked to the CFO, you took legal advice from a secretary
2) you broke at a minimum two conditions for your ATT

a) you had no registration certificate
b) your ATT specifies it is for transport from dfemia01's house to the places listed and returning to dfemia01's house. Not from any place listed to dfemia01's house.

Shawn
 
mrspeel said:
When I had that question both the legislation and the firearms centre person I talked too were clear. Wait for the cert
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Given the posts in this thread I suspect it was incorrect information but I had a CFC person tell me the NoT was your temporary Reg Cert until the real one arrived in the mail and i was good to go in terms of taking the new gun to the range.

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I understand that's not how it is but it is how it should be. :rolleyes:
 
shawn said:
No

Especially since unless you renewed it on the 2nd and already have your new PAL, nothing has changed for you.

Shawn
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It sounds like what you are saying is that the LTATT I have will continue to be needed until my renewal. But that isn't the case. So what exactly are you saying ?

Because on sept the 2nd, I'm having a big ATT burning party and you're all invited.
 
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