9mm Non Restricted Carbines; What's Available? Help Please

[Can-down]

Sub2k is more like $750 by the time you are out the door.
The AeroSurvival is a much more substantial build and just as compact but not nearly as lightweight as the sub2K. The trigger feel's a bit weird but you get used to it, It's also a bit to close to the grip for my preference but a larger grip might help there.....

 

[jparent]

Beretta and Thureon are best of breed. Out of your price range, but you get what you pay for.

 

[blstv]

Do the asr shoot 115 or do you need to go heavier?

 

[FLHTCUI]

Just came back from running a few rounds down the ASR and it ran flawlessly with Blazer 124gr. 9mm ammo.
There wasnt a doubt in my mind that it wouldnt though.
To answer blstv though I can not say for certain, but it should.
When I had my CX Storm it ran Fiocchi and S&B 115gr. without an issue aside from a different poi compared to the 124 gr bullets.
The action on the ASR was quick and ejected the spent casing no more than 2 feet from where I was standing each and every time.
I put a silly Browning Reactive site on the gun and could not turn it down far enough at 35 paces to get on paper.
I could reach out and touch any rock in the gravel pit though..maybe 60 paces.
Not a Good Range Report or one to brag about, but the gun did run and function with no hic-ups ...I will be putting the even cheaper 4X scope on it for the next trip out to the gravel pit and see wtf she can do then.
AS warrenlikesboats mentioned the bolt stop on last shot would be nice feature and am sure it would have been a costly addition in the design stage.
BTW, I went through two Provincial Parks today and nobody chased me down or chastised me for doing so either
Best Regards,
Rob

 

[Ebola]

Ive been wanting a non restricted 9mm carbine for a while now. Been doing my reading and playing with various guns. I wanted to keep it cheap like the OP. After all my research and playing with the Subgun, JR carbine and the Aero survival carbine and a couple others I got my choices narrowed down to a Beretta Storm and a M1 Carbine in .30

Neither one is cheap but the Beretta is top notch for reliability and the M1 has character and the .30 Carbine round looks interesting.

Dont know what one im gonna buy as I cant choose between the two.

 

[warrenlikesboats]

Do the asr shoot 115 or do you need to go heavier?

thats all ive been shooting out of my ASR, it cycles fine. I do plan on purchasing some 124gr though and doing an accuracy test to see which gr my ASR likes better.

 

[Grawfr]

Ive been wanting a non restricted 9mm carbine for a while now. Been doing my reading and playing with various guns. I wanted to keep it cheap like the OP. After all my research and playing with the Subgun, JR carbine and the Aero survival carbine and a couple others I got my choices narrowed down to a Beretta Storm and a M1 Carbine in .30. Neither one is cheap but the Beretta is top notch for reliability and the M1 has character and the .30 Carbine round looks interesting. Dont know what one im gonna buy as I cant choose between the two.

Ebola, the .30 carbine is most definitely interesting, and I'd have loved one. What stopped me is the ammo cost: best I've seen comes to about $0.60/round (vs $0.28-$0.32 for 9mm FMJ). Fine for hunting, not so fine for target and plinking. My other issue was putting a scope on it (iron sights are a problem for my eyes). The best practical solution seem to be a forward scout mount, meaning watch the eye relief.

But don't let me stop you: if you get a M1 I'll envy you (unless it's from Chiappa, lol). The Beretta is costly, but so very beautiful and reliable! This is my Contessa Luigina:

 

[glockman2]

SUB 2000 Gen 2 is the best option. You might have to wait for the second batch and increase your budget by another $100. You'll be happy you did.

 

[Ebola]

Ebola, the .30 carbine is most definitely interesting, and I'd have loved one. What stopped me is the ammo cost: best I've seen comes to about $0.60/round (vs $0.28-$0.32 for 9mm FMJ). Fine for hunting, not so fine for target and plinking. My other issue was putting a scope on it (iron sights are a problem for my eyes). The best practical solution seem to be a forward scout mount, meaning watch the eye relief.

But don't let me stop you: if you get a M1 I'll envy you (unless it's from Chiappa, lol). The Beretta is costly, but so very beautiful and reliable! This is my Contessa Luigina:

Tula .30 Carbine ammo is damn cheap. Sold out for now but I did pick up a little from a budy. Decent enough for plinking so I have been told.

As for scoping it, its a little tricky. There are after market stocks for them. Cant speak about their quality and atributes and what not.

 

[beltfed]

If you get into Hand Loading for the .30 Carbine, and use a cast or plated bullet like Berry's, you can get the costs down pretty close to other popular pistol reloading costs.

 

[Brian46]

If you get into Hand Loading for the .30 Carbine, and use a cast or plated bullet like Berry's, you can get the costs down pretty close to other popular pistol reloading costs.

that is if you do not consider set up costs for reloading or put a value on your time spent

 

[Power Pill]

If you get into Hand Loading for the .30 Carbine, and use a cast or plated bullet like Berry's, you can get the costs down pretty close to other popular pistol reloading costs.

I was going to say this..

I've seen NR M1 Carbines for sale around $500-600 range.

And 30 carbine ammo isn't too bad $$ wise if he doesn't already or want to reload.

 

[kanook]

Weaver Nighthawk use to be a bunch of fun. Used Uzi mags

 

[Deuce-deuce]

Weaver Nighthawk use to be a bunch of fun. Used Uzi mags

I've never seen on of these... looks neat. I'm off to google it, thanks!

 

[Dad003]

I was going to say this..

I've seen NR M1 Carbines for sale around $500-600 range.

And 30 carbine ammo isn't too bad $$ wise if he doesn't already or want to reload.

except that sometime it hard to find , the cheapest stuff was from tula ammo but they have been backorder since chritsmas and nothing from that time .... with the crappy $ wholesale sport is now selling it for like 44$ for 50 when they were 32-34$ for 50

 

[beltfed]

that is if you do not consider set up costs for reloading or put a value on your time spent

Set up costs are recovered as the cost of your reloads will be less than factory produced ammo - this is as true for 9mm as it is for 30 carbine. One would recover more from the cost of 30 carbine as it is more expensive though.
As a straight wall case, 30 carbine benefits from easy case prep too (no trimming req'd).

As the old adage goes 'time is money' - and I hear that. People need down time though, so if this eats into one's TV time (or whatever) then it is a wash.

 

[Travis Bickle]

I was going to say this..

I've seen NR M1 Carbines for sale around $500-600 range.

And 30 carbine ammo isn't too bad $$ wise if he doesn't already or want to reload.

The M1 carbine design appeals to me immensely, hence my preference towards the Chiappa M1 in 9mm initially.
I really was hoping it wouldn't turn out to be a piece of utter s**t but that's what it looks like by all accounts I will not keep an unreliable finicky gun in my locker.
I can't justify reloading with my schedule of family, work, owning a house with the initial set up etc Maybe down the road but not right now.

I'm leaning towards the sub 2000 more and more.
I don't care about it being made out of plastic, if I need a beefy semi auto built like a tank for whatever reason I have the old XCR-L.
I want a small, light carbine I can shoot cheap bulk 9mm at paper and my favorite target of pop cans full of water at 50 to 75 meters and get the kids shooting in a couple years (if the NDP don't take my property in October...)

What is it about the gen2 variant that is better than the originals? Is anyone carrying the gen 2 in stock currently? There's a couple sub2000 on the EE but I'm assuming these would all be Gen 1 rifles?

 

[Razorsythe]

I didn't really scan the posts, but a TNW Aero is really nice. Collaspible, multiple caliber swaps available, thought breaks your budget . Comes in 9, 10 and 45acp.

 

[beltfed]

The M1 carbine design appeals to me immensely, hence my preference towards the Chiappa M1 in 9mm initially.
I really was hoping it wouldn't turn out to be a piece of utter s**t but that's what it looks like by all accounts I will not keep an unreliable finicky gun in my locker..

I wouldn't say it is utter crap. Cheap yes, lower end build quality yes - but you get what you pay for.
In a segment where a very good sub gun like the Famae is priced anywhere from $1500 to $2000,
And a middle of the road model like the Theoron is $1000, the lower end Chiappa M1-9 is priced accordingly at around $400.

Remember in Canada we pay a premium for guns in general and for those guns classified as non-restricted in particular.

 

[Travis Bickle]

I wouldn't say it is utter crap. Cheap yes, lower end build quality yes - but you get what you pay for.
In a segment where a very good sub gun like the Famae is priced anywhere from $1500 to $2000,
And a middle of the road model like the Theoron is $1000, the lower end Chiappa M1-9 is priced accordingly at around $400.

Remember in Canada we pay a premium for guns in general and for those guns classified as non-restricted in particular.

Aye, and it breaks my heart Sir!
I can readily pass up on high quality solid steel rifles as long as it feeds and extracts reliably.
Like I said I don't plan on taking this thing on some post apocalyptic wasteland journey or anything, it doesn't need to be robust. I'm going to shoot it out in the woods at pop cans full of water at 60 meters lol That being what it is I am not looking to drop $1K on a rifle to do it.
There is nothing I can stand worse than a rifle that won't feed/extract reliably and is picky with ammo though which it seems the Chiappa is. Even if they were $150 I wouldn't drop the money if they are as bad as they seem.

I'm going to try and fondle a Sub2000 in person. They can be had used for around the $500 mark. Just have to find one local and handle one first before I commit.
I've heard nothing but good so far.
I know I'm between a rock and hard place on this, just another victim of our sad firearms laws/market in this country I guess
Thanks for all the info guys, much appreciated. Seems like a bit of a gap in our market though. If someone could make a decent M1 clone in 9mm that actually fed/extracted and keep her under $600-ish they wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelves!