#4 vs 00 buck

Buck shot is for riots in phone booths. 4 Buck gives you a whole lot more pellets than 00 buck to quell said riots. It was also the favourite of Tunnel Rats in the SEA War Games of 1964 to 1975.
Hitting anything vital with 00 Buck at 55 yards is miraculous. YouTube is full of incompetents doing miraculous things. Isn't any kind of authoritative source for anything.
 
#1 buck is uncommon, I've seen folks from place like Texas complain they could never find it on hand...

It's great stuff though, just be aware that it's essential a magnum load in 16 pellet 2.75" form, it throws the same amount of lead at close to the same speed as 12 pellet 00.
 
Buck shot is for riots in phone booths. 4 Buck gives you a whole lot more pellets than 00 buck to quell said riots. It was also the favourite of Tunnel Rats in the SEA War Games of 1964 to 1975.
Hitting anything vital with 00 Buck at 55 yards is miraculous. YouTube is full of incompetents doing miraculous things. Isn't any kind of authoritative source for anything.

Shotgun pellets spread one inch for every yard they travel forward. as usual you have no idea what you are talking about. WTF does the choice of tunnel rats have to do with HD? the ranges in those tunnels would have been about 6 feet. At that range it wouldn't matter what you were shooting. My understanding is that most of these troops used the 1911 or S&W .38 along with a knife and a GI flashlight.
 
Your choice of a buckshot load should be made based on which patterns the best, pattern density being more important than pattern size. The inch pattern spread to yard of range is a generality, but is close enough for government work. But lets take a look at the actual patterns produced by Federal Premium 3" 00 Buck (which I've had a tough time finding) from my open choke 12 ga 590 as an example. At 5 yards there were two holes in the cardboard, an elongated hole from the wad, and a round 1.5" hole from the shot column, not bad when the generality suggests a 5" pattern for a shot from 5 yards. The 10 yard pattern measured 2.75" wide by 2" high, and this was due to one pellet hitting high and one pellet hitting left out of the otherwise tight cluster, 10 of the 12 pellets produced a 1.25" wide by 1" high pattern. The one consistent element of the shotgun is it's inconsistency, and the 15 and 20 yard patterns prove the point. At 15 yards the pattern opened up to 7.25" high by 8.75" wide, where the 20 yard pattern measured 4.5" high by 6" wide. Who would have seen that coming? And no, I did not mix up the 15 and 20 yard patterns. I expect this would not occur again if I repeated the test, but then again it might, or there might be some other anomaly. The final pattern was at 25 yards, which I consider the maximum effective range of buckshot, and it measured 11.5" high and 11.25 wide. I've patterned many different brands of buckshot, and in my gun the Federal Premium 00 Buck patterns the best, significantly better than the exceedingly expensive Hevi-Shot 00 Buck loads, which were the best until yesterday.

Every different shotgun barrel will pattern differently, regardless of choke. Every different manufacture of shell will pattern differently, and as this latest test indicates, anomalies will occur even within shells of the same make and load. That's just how it is. As a rule these variations and anomalies don't matter very much, as buckshot is not used for fine work, but if you have a gun-shell combination that produces tight patterns, there is little leeway for poor marksmanship, particularly at very short range, which has long been a stated advantage of using buckshot over a slug or rifle bullet. The real advantage is that a great deal of destructive force can be put on the target, without the over penetration of a slug or rifle bullet. You might well point out that the use of 00 buckshot will indeed result in a pass through of a live target, the difference is that each 50 gr .33 caliber pellet has little velocity left after say 18" of penetration of tissue, compared to a 400-600 gr slug, so the down range danger to people or property is dramatically reduced. This is the reason why some densely populated areas in the US require buckshot only during their deer hunting seasons.
 
I choose buckshot on the basis of what provides consistant evenly spaced patterns that aren't too tight or too loose.

I want it to open up at a distance where hitting in non ideal circumstances starts becoming a little trickier, say 12 yards plus.

If I need tight, I'll throw in a slug, its hard to beat a .7 inch "pattern".
 
I choose buckshot on the basis of what provides consistant evenly spaced patterns that aren't too tight or too loose.

I want it to open up at a distance where hitting in non ideal circumstances starts becoming a little trickier, say 12 yards plus.

If I need tight, I'll throw in a slug, its hard to beat a .7 inch "pattern".

If this isn't your answer, you're probably asking the wrong question about buckshot.

I've shot a bunch of animals with 000 down to #3, and 00 12 pellet has worked well for me insofar as flat out killing stuff out to 30 yards or so. But, in the interest of exposure to what's "new and better", for me the best has been Federal's LE132-1B for density and consistency, and though I have not shot any animated targets with it yet, I see no reason why it wouldn't work extremely well in that capacity. Better density and consistency than the various 00 and 000 that I've tried but better penetration than #4.

The biggest issue is finding it in any quantity on a regular basis...
 
Buck shot is for riots in phone booths. 4 Buck gives you a whole lot more pellets than 00 buck to quell said riots. It was also the favourite of Tunnel Rats in the SEA War Games of 1964 to 1975.
Hitting anything vital with 00 Buck at 55 yards is miraculous. YouTube is full of incompetents doing miraculous things. Isn't any kind of authoritative source for anything.

"Incompetents doing miraculous things"............here is the pot calling the kettle black.
 
To be honest all I have is 7.5 and 8 target shot and a few slugs in the house. if someone breaks in I would easily toss in the target shots as at those distances the bad guy will still be hurt. And hey the hope is they will just run anyway as its a shotgun, they have no clue what its loaded with.

also legally, ]if you used say the target shot, they will have a harder time with some of the legal arguments they come up with such as pre meditated as hey i garbed a gun and whatever ammo i had at hand :) and yes this is personal belief not legal advice.

Legally U will be Fawked regardless ...so ammo type will be the last problem...and irrelevant....defending how U retrieved your stored/locked up firearm...then the separately stored ammo...then loaded up and finally deployed it.
Sadly this will be your biggest nightmare...not the actual incident..

As for ammo there's NO right answer for all. Do you have other occupants in the house in any other area besides where yer shooting from? Do you have neibours only drywall or a few meters away? If not then overpenetration is mute and the right ammo for the job trumps. Frankly any 12g ammo within a bedroom will be effective on an a non armoured home thief/pervert etc....likely entirely effective on anything short of a Kevlar wearing assaulted.....buckshot with a slug or two at the end of the tube is proly the best go tho.
 
If in the wilderness and or where there are no nieghbours/cherished animals etc at risk then fook the shotty.....a centre fire carbine and make solid hits.....:):)
 
I live in the suburbs...and sleep like a corpse....I keep an über powerful flashlight(s) and a baseball bat bedside.

Blinding the intruder is key.....easy and effective when they are in full night vision mode and U are instantly wielding a seriously powerful focused light. This is far and away your most effective 1st line of defence....and affords target confirmation....this ain't no arcade game....you must CONFIRM the target...both what it is and where it is...before you deal with it.

Once you blind and ID the source of the threat....deal with it accordingly.
Seriously powerful small flashlights strategically placed around your home are your BEST bet hands down and should be the priority before firearms.....
And be realistic about your capability/handicap when roused from deep sleep.....your assumptions will be very different from your reality. If you doubt this experiment. You will be surprised.

Engaging a bright light blinded attacker in the dark with a blunt object designed for swinging/delivering a powerful blow is entirely effective, feasible for the average person, and the most legally defendable option ......especially in an urban environment.

Btw...these lessons I learned after a home invasion in my suburban home several yrs ago. A stoned, 19yr old "man" who had broken into our car, then garage, then house...wife, both toddler children present and between me and the intruder .....was in the house by the time I was roused from very deep sleep.
I engaged with a sure fire light, clothed only in underwear, identifying/blinding him in the mushroom adjacent to the kitchen....steps away from my children's rooms. Blinded and cowering from my aggressive challenge he retreated stumbling to the garage floor where I engaged him forcing him prone, arm and leg locked. My wife who had been on 911 and shielding the children communicated this to them and was chastised to release the intruder and wait for the police. Her reply was unpleasant and updated that the intruder was now zip tied .....hurry the fawk up.
The responding police arrived to find the intruder prone/arms and legs zip tied with me in my underwear kneeling on the small of his back. After IDing myself as the homeowner, my wife standing next to me still on the line with 911..... The 1st words out of the officers mouth was " where is your gun". Without delving into further detail the point of all this is that the powerful and present flashlight was key...in both IDing the threat and blinding him...gave me the upper hand
 
Btw....this home invader was found to have contents including wallets, DL's, cell phones etc from several other homes in our neighbourhood on his person when searched. He lived in the area with his parents.
He was charged with multiple offences originally, then all charges dropped and no further prosecution pursued aprox 8 mos later........

When I learned of this and inquired I was advised I was not entitled to further information or justification for the outcome.

I learned a lot from this incident and it changed a lot of what I had previously felt confident about prior to it.
I'm all very good with definitive/aggressive force to the point of lethal in defending myself/family.......IF a positive ID can be made AND the circumstances warrant it.....human or animal threat.

I have military and other background/training/perspective.....target identification prior to engagement is serious business....and there is likely no worse thing to live with going forward from a lethal force incident than inflicting a friendly fire casualty/death. In a civilian situation it would be further catastrophic for everyone involved. Not preaching....just sayin'
 
I shoot IDPA practice matches. Sometimes we shoot with the range lights off and we have to use flashlights. Very interesting and educational.

First thing I learned is that the cast lead bullets I usually shoot are NG at night. the smoke for the bullet lube becomes blinding when illuminated by my light.

In one scenario, the bad guy target swing into view and turned on a small flashlight aimed at me. This was disconcerting and made shooting more difficult.

I have a powerful flashlight beside the bed and would use it on an intruder to give me a few seconds of ID and tactical response time.
 
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