SAM 1911 9mm, anyone else get hit with brass?

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I got a SAM 1911 9mm, It spits brass in my face more then I like. First time I had the gun out It got me about 6 times. Then I had it out last night put about 150rds and got hit in the face about 2 dozen times.

I wouldnt expect the extractor being its almost new and can't say I never been hit before with my 45, and I use the same grip.
 
mrclean said:
Check the angle on your ejector.
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See anything out of the ord?

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Sounds more of an extractor issue, check if it loose, or grabbing the brass correctly, extractor should not be loose with the firing pin stop in place. Second most likely culprit is the recoil spring try a 16#
 
madcow said:
Sounds more of an extractor issue, check if it loose, or grabbing the brass correctly, extractor should not be loose with the firing pin stop in place. Second most likely culprit is the recoil spring try a 16#
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Extractor wouldn't move. Only movement I could get if it was picking up cases. 16# spring for a 9mm? Little much, Only calls for 10-12#. 13-16# if its a 38 super.
 
Slide an empty case into the slide under the extractor and see how much tension is on it. Should be fairly solid in there.
Factory spring for 5" 1911 9mm is 14lbs.
Colt 1911 FACTORY RECOIL SPRING NOTES
1. Factory rating for super .38 & 9mm is 14 Lbs.
2. Factory rating in .40 S&W is 19 Lbs.
3. Factory rating for the Colt .38 Spl. Midrange is 14 Lbs.
4. Factory rating for the Colt Ace .22 conversion is 14 Lbs.
CONVENTIONAL RECOIL SPRINGS - .45 ACP
Factory Standard.: 16 Lb.
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Well I put the spring that was bin the other 1911 because it was a wee bit more stiffer then the stock.

But both have different style ejectors and extractors.. The Sam theres no budging the extractor at all. It was a pain to remove and almost a press fit back in.

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SAM Bottom, Springfield Top.

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My guess is that the recoil spring is too weak. No amount of tuning to the extractor or ejector is going to fix a weak spring. Unrelated: that gun needs a serious cleaning.
 
Smcx said:
My guess is that the recoil spring is too weak. No amount of tuning to the extractor or ejector is going to fix a weak spring. Unrelated: that gun needs a serious cleaning.
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Well I did just come back from shooting 150rds, then 60rds previously.. What you expect?
 
RobertMcC said:
Extractor wouldn't move. Only movement I could get if it was picking up cases. 16# spring for a 9mm? Little much, Only calls for 10-12#. 13-16# if its a 38 super.
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Hitzy said:
Slide an empty case into the slide under the extractor and see how much tension is on it. Should be fairly solid in there.
Factory spring for 5" 1911 9mm is 14lbs.
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With a given ammo, recoil spring rate will vary according to mainspring rate, MSH construction and FPS geometry. You can't necessarily expect a Colt spec recoil spring to improve a SAM unless you also change out everything else to Colt spec.

This is why people end up with screwed up 1911s...an infinite number of companies building an infinite number of renditions of a pistol in which several factors need to be balanced to make each step work.

If that were my gun I'd try a different extractor, and I don't like ejectors extended to that length so I'd probably end up taking it down some.

If the brass is hitting you, the problem is not just that the brass is coming out too fast, it's coming out the wrong direction. I'd put a Wilson extractor in it and see if that corrects the ejection angle. You could address the geometry of the existing extractor but unless you know what you're doing, you may not improve things because you won't recognize the problems.
 
misanthropist said:
With a given ammo, recoil spring rate will vary according to mainspring rate, MSH construction and FPS geometry. You can't necessarily expect a Colt spec recoil spring to improve a SAM unless you also change out everything else to Colt spec.

This is why people end up with screwed up 1911s...an infinite number of companies building an infinite number of renditions of a pistol in which several factors need to be balanced to make each step work.

If that were my gun I'd try a different extractor, and I don't like ejectors extended to that length so I'd probably end up taking it down some.

If the brass is hitting you, the problem is not just that the brass is coming out too fast, it's coming out the wrong direction. I'd put a Wilson extractor in it and see if that corrects the ejection angle. You could address the geometry of the existing extractor but unless you know what you're doing, you may not improve things because you won't recognize the problems.
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Well Im running a STI 15# MSH spring, I am running a SA Milspec Sear, Disco, Safety, STI 3 finger sear spring. Well I never saw a ejector this long, or that style extractor.

I'll be honest, my first 1911 in 9mm. But I dont like the slight bend the ejector has, or the slight gap. Works flawless other then pinging me in the face.
 
SAM Bottom, Springfield Top.

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That's an interesting looking extractor on the Sam. 9mm extractors usually have the hump on the inward side of the extractor removed to improve tension, but that SAM extractor looks different than the 9mm extractors I've played with. I'd be interested to know if the ring in the middle is the same dimension as the Springfield.
 
The longer the ejector, the earlier and harder the ejection part of the cycle.
The shape and angles of the ejector nose determines pretty well, the angle of ejection out the port.
I see you have a long ejector. (nothing personal Eh!):d
The angle of this ejector nose means that the case will be directed More up, than to the side.
To adjust the angle of ejection, a bit of metal can be removed from the ejector.
In order to change the impact point of the ejector on the rear of the case.
Which in turn determines whether the case ejects in your face, or off to the side.

There is a lot of metal there to play with.
Experimenting with it, is not expensive if you go too far.:p
Ejectors are simple to replace, and relatively inexpensive.

Plus you can learn a bit about tuning a 1911 pistol.

2 cents Eh!

RobertMcC said:
See anything out of the ord?

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Clobbersauras said:
SAM Bottom, Springfield Top.

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That's an interesting looking extractor on the Sam. 9mm extractors usually have the hump on the inward side of the extractor removed to improve tension, but that SAM extractor looks different than the 9mm extractors I've played with. I'd be interested to know if the ring in the middle is the same dimension as the Springfield.
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Actually that Extractor off my Norc. Havent got around building a new top end for my SA... Just running a Norc upper for now. I looked at marstar and the 9mm extractors they got look like normal ones...

I think its going to be replaced anyways..Prolly going with STI because around the corner is freedom ventures.
 
If you have the Extended Ejector you can file a down-angle on the face with the longest part at the bottom. This will cause the rim to hit the Ejector lower and, in most cases, kick the empty out higher. Use the green outline for this as shown below.




 
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