9mm Non Restricted Carbines; What's Available? Help Please
- Thread starter Travis Bickle
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Yeah the Gen 2 looks significantly different. I took this at SHOT back in January:
The biggest real difference is the fore-end that supports picatinny and MLOK accessories out of the box. There's also better sling mounting options and a little pic rail at the back for your butt-stroke bayonet or something.
In your price point, there isn't much, however the one that falls squarely in the zone is a Keltec Sub2K. I have a gen 1 in 9mm and it's a great little rifle. Tough as nails, and when folded in half is a REALLY compact and very light little rifle to carry. Out to a hundred yards or so, dead accurate; you should have no trouble putting 100 out of 100 rds on a 8 in. pie plate with factory sights (which suck, BTW). The Gen 2 has rails standard, improved sights, and improved ergonomics.
The problem now, as always is finding one new, or a good used one. Keltec doesn't make any more than they can sell immediately, so everyone seems to be back ordered on them. Used can be a crap shoot. They often wind up as truck or airplane guns, bouncing around in the back until you need it. They tend to get banged up from that kind of abuse. Mine is my trunk gun, but I keep it in a locked, padded case to keep it looking and working well. Another problem with them is since they are a bit tough to find, there are a number of scam artists around. I got ripped off trying to buy one...here as a matter of fact...and I have talked to five other people who had the same experience, different "sellers".
Don't shy away from them because they are mainly polymer...someone that says they're weak or flimsy because of that almost certainly hasn't owned or shot one much. I've had mine for three years, it's shot several thousand rounds, it lives in my trunk year round, and goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
The problem now, as always is finding one new, or a good used one. Keltec doesn't make any more than they can sell immediately, so everyone seems to be back ordered on them. Used can be a crap shoot. They often wind up as truck or airplane guns, bouncing around in the back until you need it. They tend to get banged up from that kind of abuse. Mine is my trunk gun, but I keep it in a locked, padded case to keep it looking and working well. Another problem with them is since they are a bit tough to find, there are a number of scam artists around. I got ripped off trying to buy one...here as a matter of fact...and I have talked to five other people who had the same experience, different "sellers".
Don't shy away from them because they are mainly polymer...someone that says they're weak or flimsy because of that almost certainly hasn't owned or shot one much. I've had mine for three years, it's shot several thousand rounds, it lives in my trunk year round, and goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
In your price point, there isn't much, however the one that falls squarely in the zone is a Keltec Sub2K. I have a gen 1 in 9mm and it's a great little rifle. Tough as nails, and when folded in half is a REALLY compact and very light little rifle to carry. Out to a hundred yards or so, dead accurate; you should have no trouble putting 100 out of 100 rds on a 8 in. pie plate with factory sights (which suck, BTW). The Gen 2 has rails standard, improved sights, and improved ergonomics.
The problem now, as always is finding one new, or a good used one. Keltec doesn't make any more than they can sell immediately, so everyone seems to be back ordered on them. Used can be a crap shoot. They often wind up as truck or airplane guns, bouncing around in the back until you need it. They tend to get banged up from that kind of abuse. Mine is my trunk gun, but I keep it in a locked, padded case to keep it looking and working well. Another problem with them is since they are a bit tough to find, there are a number of scam artists around. I got ripped off trying to buy one...here as a matter of fact...and I have talked to five other people who had the same experience, different "sellers".
Don't shy away from them because they are mainly polymer...someone that says they're weak or flimsy because of that almost certainly hasn't owned or shot one much. I've had mine for three years, it's shot several thousand rounds, it lives in my trunk year round, and goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
The problem now, as always is finding one new, or a good used one. Keltec doesn't make any more than they can sell immediately, so everyone seems to be back ordered on them. Used can be a crap shoot. They often wind up as truck or airplane guns, bouncing around in the back until you need it. They tend to get banged up from that kind of abuse. Mine is my trunk gun, but I keep it in a locked, padded case to keep it looking and working well. Another problem with them is since they are a bit tough to find, there are a number of scam artists around. I got ripped off trying to buy one...here as a matter of fact...and I have talked to five other people who had the same experience, different "sellers".
Don't shy away from them because they are mainly polymer...someone that says they're weak or flimsy because of that almost certainly hasn't owned or shot one much. I've had mine for three years, it's shot several thousand rounds, it lives in my trunk year round, and goes bang every time I pull the trigger.
Keltec has lifetime support for the original owner. It might not be as fast and easy as it is in the US, but as long as you keep your receipt you should be covered.
I'd pay the extra money and buy a new Gen 2 if you are going that route.
I'd pay the extra money and buy a new Gen 2 if you are going that route.
Yeah the Gen 2 looks significantly different. I took this at SHOT back in January:
The biggest real difference is the fore-end that supports picatinny and MLOK accessories out of the box. There's also better sling mounting options and a little pic rail at the back for your butt-stroke bayonet or something.
Railed foreends were availlable as accessories for the gen 1, the biggest real differences are, better front sight that is threaded on, bigger ejection port, adjustable length of pull and a better pistol grip.
Travis Bickle
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Upper Lower Middle Alberta
Good points all.
What are the Gen2's going to be going for dollar wise? Anyone know yet?
PressPass any info on dollar amount?
About $750 out the door, Reliable had some as well as a few other's a few weeks ago and Whanstall's told me they were expecting some the same week but I haven't heard or seen anything..... they might be next?
Vault distributing might be able to point you in the right direction.
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killer1963daddy
Regular
- Location
- peace river country B.C.
had a s2000 g1 for about 3 years, 0 problems.i keep it clean, been running berretta/ megar mags as I have a girsan knock off. I do find the megar mag better quality than the ones supplied.
it is what it is, a light weight ,NR, 10 rnd ,plastic folding carbine. and yes the gen 1 sights bite, spongy trigger.etc
and its just too bad the red lion fore end isn't a standard feature.
all that said its as comforting as a 12g when im panning or fishing, and a lot lighter!
it is what it is, a light weight ,NR, 10 rnd ,plastic folding carbine. and yes the gen 1 sights bite, spongy trigger.etc
and its just too bad the red lion fore end isn't a standard feature.
all that said its as comforting as a 12g when im panning or fishing, and a lot lighter!
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One of the main improvements is better materials used on polymer parts. So it feels more like an RFB and KSG rather than Su-16 and Gen1 sub 2000
Price is $649 + tax and shipping. first batch is sold out in most places, but there will be more soon.
Price is $649 + tax and shipping. first batch is sold out in most places, but there will be more soon.
Sorry for the delay, Jermyzy. The trigger is stiff as hell, 9-10 pounds I estimate. It's the one big annoyance with my Cx4. There are, however, a couple solutions to that: aftermarket parts if you happen to pass through Oregon (made by Sierra Papa) or a very minor DIY modification to the hammer. I'm going that route myself.
I havent had any issues with my Chiappa M1 9mm carbine using American Eagle 124gr factory ball. I have shot over 500 rds thus far. I did have some feeding issues with Winchester factory JHPs however. It likes the American Eagle ball ammo. Not a target gun by far but on a bench rest it is consistently firing 5" grps (10X rds) at 100 yds with the American Eagle (generally 3-4 within 2" or so, with remainder spreading outwards). Using the factory peep sights which are very basic and not all that great; so not bad performance. I believe it would be better with a red dot.
What are you current JRC and ASR owners using for a soft carry case for your guns?
Looking for ideas...was thinking of a modified canvas case for the shotguns of yore.
Meaning sewing one up myself.
What say you guys.
Thanks and Tight Groups,
Rob
Looking for ideas...was thinking of a modified canvas case for the shotguns of yore.
Meaning sewing one up myself.
What say you guys.
Thanks and Tight Groups,
Rob
