Sylvester road RCMP disscussion

In the post I quoted you stated you were informed by a Leo that bulletin 72 was no longer valid... If you knew this wasn't law you'd know this wasn't true.

Go away Brian.
Brian46 said:
I never said it was anything more, however there are those on this forum that think it is law.

after posting I have had PM requests for a copy of the old bulletin 72, others don't get it. (here it is BTW http://web.archive.org/web/20130703...fp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm)

I know we were not doing anything illegal, the lack of knowledge by the people empowered to check on those participating in shooting sports I have encountered is what is concerning and the reason for my post.
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Brian46 said:
I never said it was anything more, however there are those on this forum that think it is law.

after posting I have had PM requests for a copy of the old bulletin 72, others don't get it. (here it is BTW http://web.archive.org/web/20130703...fp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm)

I know we were not doing anything illegal, the lack of knowledge by the people empowered to check on those participating in shooting sports I have encountered is what is concerning and the reason for my post.
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^^^ this, we should all be concerned.
 
mikethebike said:
The purpose is not opinion but clarification.

"Purpose

The purpose of this bulletin is to provide greater clarity on the maximum permitted capacity of cartridge magazines designed or manufactured for use in more than one kind of firearm. Note that the maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the physical characteristics of the firearm it is designed or manufactured for and the type of ammunition for which it is designed. The maximum permitted capacity of the magazine does not depend on the classification of the firearm, nor does the magazine capacity influence the classification of the firearm."

Clarification to be used in court since RCMP are the de facto experts on all firearm matters where the court is concerned.
Why is clarification necessary? Because the law is not clear on the 5 round, 10 round capacity limits, otherwise official clarification by the official experts would not be necessary.
If clarification is necessary to the law, LEO should be informed of the clarification during arrest due to the vague nature of the law.
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The problem is that the bulletin is open to interpretation.

The interpretation I have most frequently run into is the one I have posted in other threads, and is fought tooth and nail by almost everyone who reads it and results in name calling or somehow I am crazy. I really don't care as I have nothing to gain by posting it other than informing others of what I have been told and what could happen if you run into the same individuals.

I have been punished by process more than once for doing nothing wrong, It costs tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for nothing. You may think you are teaching the other party a lesson, but I assure you that is not often the case, you may have just painted a target on yourself for many years to come as some individuals do not like being proved wrong.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
In the post I quoted you stated you were informed by a Leo that bulletin 72 was no longer valid... If you knew this wasn't law you'd know this wasn't true.
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*the old version I had was not valid*, I had both with me

you know bulletin 72 was changed right?

I never said bulletin 72 was law, why do you think they call it bulletin 72, and not law 72?.
 
Brian,
You are crazy. Remember a few weeks back when you were screaming about the .50 magazines. Did you happen to notice since then there have been thousands imported... So many in fact, that the price has dropped by 50%... And yet, the impeding action by the rcmp is nowhere to be seen.
Just be quiet for a little while.
DD
Brian46 said:
The problem is that the bulletin is open to interpretation.

The interpretation I have most frequently run into is the one I have posted in other threads, and is fought tooth and nail by almost everyone who reads it and results in name calling or somehow I am crazy. I really don't care as I have nothing to gain by posting it other than informing others of what I have been told and what could happen if you run into the same individuals.

I have been punished by process more than once for doing nothing wrong, It costs tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars for nothing. You may think you are teaching the other party a lesson, but I assure you that is not often the case, you may have just painted a target on yourself for many years to come as some individuals do not like being proved wrong.
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Brian46 said:
*the old version I had was not valid*, I had both with me

you know bulletin 72 was changed right?

I never said bulletin 72 was law, I have called it bulletin 72, not law 72.
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Yes, I know it was changed. Yes, I know what YOU think... You've been on about the changes for weeks now. Nothing has happened, nothing is going to happen. shhhhhhhhh.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Brian,
You are crazy. Remember a few weeks back when you were screaming about the .50 magazines. Did you happen to notice since then there have been thousands imported... So many in fact, that the price has dropped by 50%... And yet, the impeding action by the rcmp is nowhere to be seen.
Just be quiet for a little while.
DD
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what does that have to do with this thread? If you want to discuss future RCMP prohibitions, maybe start your own thread?

PS

If you have a source for AA mags at 50% off I am very interested (PM me please), C products mags don't cycle the 50 beowulf rounds reliably
 
Gatehouse said:
I actually think the solution is to have the municipality/district do a massive clean up, haul everything out of there. Then have RCMP presence there 24/7 for a few months to discourage scumbags. And a watchman and gate isn't out of the question.
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I disagree. I think a group of responsible shooters should volunteer to do it. Invite the media, take tons of pictures before/after, invite the RCMP, invite town counsel, etc. Allow an example:
I rock-crawl my Jeep and am a member of our provincial association the OF4WD. Where a lot of our trails are the local snowmobile and ATV clubs, along with the municipality, started getting upset because unlawful rock-cralwers/buggies/jeeps were tearing up trails and access roads. OF4WD volutneers went in, cleaned up garbage, built new bridges, made new irrigation for streams, and generally maintained some lands. They do this all seasons. It has changed a lot of minds and the way a lot of people feel about our community.
 
Brian46 said:
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I know we were not doing anything illegal, the lack of knowledge by the people empowered to check on those participating in shooting sports I have encountered is what is concerning and the reason for my post.
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I agree. Unfortunately most aren't familiar with a lot of the rules. Most police for example wouldn't know to check for 50BMG API rounds or other finer points.
 
Epoxy7 said:
I agree. Unfortunately most aren't familiar with a lot of the rules. Most police for example wouldn't know to check for 50BMG API rounds or other finer points.
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you see guys openly selling various 50 BMG rounds at the gun shows that are labeled as to what they are, even 20mm and 14.5, so is it ignorance of the law that allows this to continue or do people get a pass only at certain venues?
 
mikethebike said:
Maybe you could educate us then? I find it weird having an internal policy for your own use to criminal charges on citizens. This might just be me, but the tone of this reply makes it very secret police "we're gonna get you" like.
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It's fairly simple. We have an internal 'infoweb' that has things like policy, internal company stuff, forms, phone numbers, contacts, transfers, sensitive information, and a ton of feel good pictures and blurbs that I call RCMP facebook. It's the same for probably any other company out there, you're imagining a lot out of nothing.

Just for fun, go into Canadian Tire or Cabelas and demand to see their internal network. I bet you'll be told they can't show you as it's company policy, or could contain sensitive information. Go ahead give it a whirl. Your gas station isn't going to open their computers for you to see their information.

atomicsauace said:
I agree Mike.This guy sounds like he thinks they are something special .....kinda like the Gestapo was
And seeing as this is a public forum his comment will do wonders for public/gun owners/LEO relations.
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I doubt that, I'd worry more about people thinking gun owners are anti-authority weirdos before I'm the one breaking down the "LEO"/Public relations. I've never called for people to be disarmed, I've written publicly on his forum how dumb I think the firearms act and laws are. If I'm the hurdle this country is facing we're in far worse shape than I ever thought.

And yes I do think I'm something special. My wife and mother tell me all the time. And my dogs think I'm the best thing ever.
 
Lol... My dog loves me not all people agree.
Jon. said:
It's fairly simple. We have an internal 'infoweb' that has things like policy, internal company stuff, forms, phone numbers, contacts, transfers, sensitive information, and a ton of feel good pictures and blurbs that I call RCMP facebook. It's the same for probably any other company out there, you're imagining a lot out of nothing.

Just for fun, go into Canadian Tire or Cabelas and demand to see their internal network. I bet you'll be told they can't show you as it's company policy, or could contain sensitive information. Go ahead give it a whirl. Your gas station isn't going to open their computers for you to see their information.



I doubt that, I'd worry more about people thinking gun owners are anti-authority weirdos before I'm the one breaking down the "LEO"/Public relations. I've never called for people to be disarmed, I've written publicly on his forum how dumb I think the firearms act and laws are. If I'm the hurdle this country is facing we're in far worse shape than I ever thought.

And yes I do think I'm something special. My wife and mother tell me all the time. And my dogs think I'm the best thing ever.
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Some of you guys are b!tching about and banking on a memo that clearly states that it is an opinion.
All it takes is one peace officer and one judge to disagree with that memo and you are hooped.

Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
 
beltfed said:
Some of you guys are b!tching about and banking on a memo that clearly states that it is an opinion.
All it takes is one peace officer and one judge to disagree with that memo and you are hooped.

Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
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Bingo!
 
beltfed said:
Some of you guys are b!tching about and banking on a memo that clearly states that it is an opinion.
All it takes is one peace officer and one judge to disagree with that memo and you are hooped.

Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
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best post so far
 
beltfed said:
Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
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It's easier to complain about the evil Police on the internetz. Duhhhh.
 
beltfed said:
Some of you guys are b!tching about and banking on a memo that clearly states that it is an opinion.
All it takes is one peace officer and one judge to disagree with that memo and you are hooped.

Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
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modification of the act would be nice, but defining the current act so it is not so open to interpretations would also suffice and probably be an easier goal to attain.

Overhauling the entire act will likely include some things we do not want regulation wise as the government will not want to be seen as 100% pro gun.
 
beltfed said:
Some of you guys are b!tching about and banking on a memo that clearly states that it is an opinion.
All it takes is one peace officer and one judge to disagree with that memo and you are hooped.

Instead of focusing your attention on a police officer who is stating his interpretation of the firearms act, why don't you do something constructive and focus on having the wording of the firearms act modified?
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Okay!

I love unicorns and merlin and star wars lightsabers too, won't be seeing any of those any time soon...

It's good to have a BHAG, it's also good to have some realistic short term goals as well.

Every single person on this site is striving to have the wording of the firearms act modified, but frankly after 20 years it's been a hard battle. Having some clarification on the current wording seems a whole lot more realistic.
 
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