What do you guys think happened here? (30-06 reload)

Why is it taking him so long to pull some bullets and see what is inside.
OP--don't fiddle around waiting for a proper bullet puller. Take the dies out of the press, put one of the subject loads in shell holder and push the handle down until the bullet is protruding above the press. Grasp the bullet with pliers, side cutters work best, get a good grip and slam the handle up.
Bullet out.
 
H4831 said:
Why is it taking him so long to pull some bullets and see what is inside.
OP--don't fiddle around waiting for a proper bullet puller. Take the dies out of the press, put one of the subject loads in shell holder and push the handle down until the bullet is protruding above the press. Grasp the bullet with pliers, side cutters work best, get a good grip and slam the handle up.
Bullet out.
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I find those large multi-gauge wire strippers work best.. the ones with multiple hole sizes halfway down the tool. You can use for different bullet diameter :) best in a single stage, but I do it in my turret press by removing entire tool head and use the frame to brace large wire strip tool across top of press
 
bat119 said:
My money is on wrong powder, don't think it was Titegroup though its flake 4895 is stick nobody could make that mistake besides 45 grs of Titegroup would have been a pipe bomb I only use 5 grs in 45 ACP and 44-40

Please let us know the outcome! reading through 8 pages is like reading a novel with no last page
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Change your display settings to 100 per page. Makes epic thread reads less epic.

That said, it can really suck balls reading a long thread on a tablet!
 
H4831 said:
Why is it taking him so long to pull some bullets and see what is inside.
OP--don't fiddle around waiting for a proper bullet puller. Take the dies out of the press, put one of the subject loads in shell holder and push the handle down until the bullet is protruding above the press. Grasp the bullet with pliers, side cutters work best, get a good grip and slam the handle up.
Bullet out.
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Yup...sacrifice one bullet to the Klein Linesman Pliers and you'll get to the bottom of the matter toute suite.
 
I'd recommend ditching the digital scale, I did after mine set me up for a Kaboom before I caught it. Was using a dipper to scoop powder onto the pan and the trickilng to weight on the scale then pouring in to the case. I had used a check weight to set the scale and everything was checked against my balance beam to make sure. After loading about 30 rounds I noticed that the powder was getting closer to the top of the cases and trickling was taking longer. I double checked with my rcbs balance beam and the digital scale had creeped 10 grains or so, which would have been a hell of an overload.

Needless to say, I shelved the digital and use mechanical balance beam only now and a good powder thrower that I check regularly.
 
aric84 said:
Was using a dipper to scoop powder onto the pan and the trickilng to weight on the scale then pouring in to the case. .....After loading about 30 rounds I noticed that the powder was getting closer to the top of the cases and trickling was taking longer. I double checked with my rcbs balance beam and the digital scale had creeped 10 grains or so, which would have been a hell of an overload.

Needless to say, I shelved the digital and use mechanical balance beam only now and a good powder thrower that I check regularly.
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Good thing you caught that.

I wonder how many other people actually look inside the cases before they fill them with bullets?

I use a PACT digital scale and dispenser. Pretty happy with it so far. Check weigh it before every session. Every now and then I double check the weight on my old balance beam scale. So far so good. And I look in every case before I put bullets in.


Sure would like to know the results of the bullet pulling though.
 
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aric84 said:
I'd recommend ditching the digital scale, I did after mine set me up for a Kaboom before I caught it. Was using a dipper to scoop powder onto the pan and the trickilng to weight on the scale then pouring in to the case. I had used a check weight to set the scale and everything was checked against my balance beam to make sure. After loading about 30 rounds I noticed that the powder was getting closer to the top of the cases and trickling was taking longer. I double checked with my rcbs balance beam and the digital scale had creeped 10 grains or so, which would have been a hell of an overload.

Needless to say, I shelved the digital and use mechanical balance beam only now and a good powder thrower that I check regularly.
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I look at the display on my digital scale every time I lift the tray off to pour a charge. You are actually verifying the calibration and zero for each and every powder charge if you do this. If that number stays the same, you are good to go.
 
Well, its beginning to look like we have been left in the lurch, abandoned by the OP who won't tell us what they found when they pulled some bullets!
 
H4831 said:
Well, its beginning to look like we have been left in the lurch, abandoned by the OP who won't tell us what they found when they pulled some bullets!
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Yup, too bad. No point being embarrassed if it was a dumb mistake, we're beyond that now, so let's have the knowledge for everyone's benefit.

I had another idea too, possibly .311 / .312 bullets were seated in the '06. The thread with the guy asking about .227 bullets in his .223rem / 22-250 gave me the idea. Would be tight to seat, but I dare say very doable with a sturdy press.
 
landphil said:
I had another idea too, possibly .311 / .312 bullets were seated in the '06. The thread with the guy asking about .227 bullets in his .223rem / 22-250 gave me the idea. .
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The problem is not swaging down the bullet a few thousandths of an inch - Ackley did many experiments that showed minor increases in pressure when swaging the bullet in the barrel - but rather there may not be room for the case neck to fully release the bullet. That is the same reason using .227 bullets in a cartridge designed for .224 is a bad idea.

Ruger actually barreled their 7.62 x 39 barrels with .308 bores for many years but allowed fairly generous space around the neck to ensure the bullet was easily released when fired.

So yes it may be possible the fellow loaded a .311 bullet in the 30-06 case. If the chamber neck was tight enough to crimp the bullet tightly in place that could explain what happened. The loader didn't even have to have .311 bullets on hand as it is entirely possible that an "odd" one came in his factory package and a new reloader may not even notice the difference. I know I have found stray 7mm bullets in .270 packages twice in the last few years.
 
"If the chamber neck was tight enough to crimp the bullet tightly in place that could explain what happened."

I agree that this is a possible explanation.

Sure wish the OP will post what he found.
 
I almost did the same thing as aric84 & stubblejumper said. Was using a dipper to scoop powder onto the pan and the trickilng to weight on the scale then pouring in to the case. I had used a check weight to set the scale. After loading about 25 rounds I noticed that the powder was getting closer to the top of the cases. I double checked with my balance beam and the digital scale had creeped starting 3 to 12 grains, which would have been a hell of an overload.

Needless to say, I thought about what had happened. Thought it was the one slip I made with the scoop, and spilled making a mess. It was, when I pulled the scale apart found powder between load cell and frame makeing it read wrong.

I now check zero regularly, I look at the display on my digital scale every time I lift the tray off(reads a negitive tray weight) when I pour a charge. You are actually verifying the calibration and zero for each and every powder charge if you do this. I also test weight before and after. It might be time consuming but for me being new I would rather be safe.
 
One other possibility. One I have seen blow up guns several times. On a previous occasion, he emptied his powder thrower of Titegroup into the 4895 can. The next tome he loaded 4895, the pistol powder caused a pressure problem.

OP - Talk to us.
 
c-fbmi had the most plausible explanation on page 6 of this thread. post number 57.

hoping the OP comes back with the findings.
 
Just a guess here. May not be over charged but under charged. Say the powder bridged and only some got in. The primer flash blows over the small amount of powder laying in the bottom of the case and builds huge pressure fast due to the air volume and the powder igniting from top to bottom not primer to neck.
 
brybenn said:
Just a guess here. May not be over charged but under charged. Say the powder bridged and only some got in. The primer flash blows over the small amount of powder laying in the bottom of the case and builds huge pressure fast due to the air volume and the powder igniting from top to bottom not primer to neck.
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Nope.

But if it bridged, the next round could have the missing powder from the first one.
 
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