Is lmt dead ??

Epoxy7 said:
One last thing that is often overlooked are the close ties LMT seems to have with KAC.
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I just got my first LMT complete 10.5" upper as part of a mk18 Mod 0 project I'm slowly piecing together. The LMT stuff looks really good, and I like buying from a company with military contracts.
 
Stoner99 said:
Nice Mauser Gdog

Love the KAC Ras as well...
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Me too, it's amazing what a WTB add on the EE will lead to. There are several RAS rails out there for anyone looking. ;)
First non-free float hand guard/rail I've installed, and it feels pretty damn solid. Not worried about free floating a 10.5" barrel.

My plan is to shoot the piss out of this rifle!
 
Here's a picture of two works in progress:

The one with the FDE furniture is the LMT mrp. The other is a Colt Canada C8IUR.

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They are still fulfilling contracts for the NZ Army.. our DMR rifles are LMT .308's and our new infantry rifles are likely to be LMT M4gerys

EDIT: sorry just saw the link a few posts up. Last i heard they hadnt selected yet.

interesting the list that they turned down.. including but not limited to:

Tavor
CZ805
SIG 553
SCAR L/H
FN F2000
AK12
HK G36E
plus a raft of other AR flavours

Apparently the snipers are leaning on the .338 MSR and .408 Cheytacs to replace their L96's and limited L115's.

and the antimaterial teams have done away with the M2's and gone to Barrett M107A1's with 2 different barrels

relatively exciting time to be in the NZDF
 
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LMT is more of a "I know my ####" brand than a "look at all my cool ####, wanna be my friend?" brand.

That's why you don't hear about LMT often.

Oh and they don't break.
 
Fenix.NZ said:
They are still fulfilling contracts for the NZ Army.. our DMR rifles are LMT .308's and our new infantry rifles are likely to be LMT M4gerys
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Well, actually it wouldn't surprise me if they were the LMT mrp with monolithic rails rather than the regular M4 style. I say this because Colt Canada was in the competition as well as HK etc. Colt Canada is going c8IUR for pretty much everything now. After NZ has been using the LMT MWS 308, I would say they have a bug for accuracy now. One of the major things that those comparing the AUG to the LMT forget is that these LMT AR rifles are capable of around 1 moa with the right ammo. If I heard correctly they will be using the 77 grain ammo, much like the RCMP C8IUR rifles do. The LMT mrp barrels while CL are Mike Rock blanks and done slightly oversize so the CL is perfect. Also the NZ military is fairly small which means you want to make up for numbers with better trained/more sophisticated soldiers. When the AUG came out it was ahead of the game with the built in optic. Canada also was ahead of the game with the Elcan C79 4x optic. So based on these facts, I would actually say they are likely to go with the mrp style rather than just a M4. But of course this is just speculation at this time.

One last point to the debate.... It's an infantry weapon... I know a lot of people #####/whine about the weight of the C8IUR and how people who tried their lighter version preferred it etc. What they forget is it's a general purpose firearm. It's not being used for DMR and it's not being used specifically for CQB. It's a compromise. It has to do as many things as it can decently. The monolithic rail system is generally tougher overall than a conventional upper/handguard system. With those parameters a free float handguard would be required and as most know police/military are very tough on the gear. So tougher is better.
 
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I have 2 KAC in 5.56
but 308 I picked the LMT MWS, got one off EE for a song, anyone has handled a MWS will tell you that it's beautiful.
as much as I love KAC I refuse to pay the stupid price tag for a SR25 when the MWS just as good(LMT even made the recevers for KACSR25). however in 5.56 the KAC is second to non.
 
Familygunnutz said:
I have 2 KAC in 5.56
but 308 I picked the LMT MWS, got one off EE for a song, anyone has handled a MWS will tell you that it's beautiful.
as much as I love KAC I refuse to pay the stupid price tag for a SR25 when the MWS just as good(LMT even made the recevers for KACSR25). however in 5.56 the KAC is second to non.
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I like the KAC, especially with the 3.1 rail in 5.56. I really like the lower with full ambi. That being said the LMT mrp 5.56mm upper offers a lot. I know some people in the US were putting LMT mrp uppers on KAC lowers for their ultimate builds. There was also the case of cost. The KAC were going for around the 3K mark, while LMT mrp rifles could be had brand new during Questar's sales (Especially 2012 shot show pricing) for around the $1500 mark. LMT also included a $100 off coupon for police/military. It was hard to turn those rifles down!!! Price/performance wise it was a no brainer. That being said, today the prices aren't so low for the LMT and one could justify the jump to the KAC. It all depends. I wouldn't out and out declare KAC the ultimate winner here. Besides I have my suspicions that these guys really aren't competing against each other but are working together very well.

My first LMT mrp was an export model with the full working 6 position stock and the 223 non threaded barrel. I seem to recall it was about $1400 at the time (bought brand new). Later I found a SS heavy barrel for the LMT mrp system and paid $325 for it. 3 minutes later I changed the barrel. A pretty good system for a Reece style rifle and the LMT upper allows you that type of flexibility to easily change stuff. You aren't likely to be messing with the KAC to change it up.

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I also managed to pick up a LMT MWS 308 for a song on the EE. NIB, with 16" CL and 20" SS mike rock barrel. I changed the barrel out again in 3 minutes or less. I prefer 20" SS for my 308 AR rifles as the minimum.

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Cost/performance ratios etc are always changing with these firearms. I suspect at some time I will also get a SR15. Unfortunately there haven't been many good deals on them around unlike the LMT. Some who have owned both have claimed you get 90% of the KAC SR15 for 50% of the price. That ratio is less now of course due to price. Also there are other systems too that are very interesting. The ADCOR one comes to mind.
 
Epoxy7 said:
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Cost/performance ratios etc are always changing with these firearms. I suspect at some time I will also get a SR15. Unfortunately there haven't been many good deals on them around unlike the LMT. Some who have owned both have claimed you get 90% of the KAC SR15 for 50% of the price. That ratio is less now of course due to price. Also there are other systems too that are very interesting. The ADCOR one comes to mind.
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I totally agree that you could get 90% of the KAC SR15 for 50% of the price with lot I mean alot of well made ar15 on the market these days, it's specially true if slow firing tight grouping is what some people prefer,
but The thing about SR15 is, if you are like me , who loves to put rounds down range as fast as you can and as smooth as you can, the SR15 is it, it's like throttling a race car. there is nothing I have tried can beat my SR15 14.5 dimpled with MAMS, well maybe some J&P custom race guns, but that's in a different category than what we are discussing here. maybe I should rephrase, there is no other military/tactical style AR that I have tried can beat my SR15 14.5 dimpled in accuracy + handling + smoothness combined (my own personal experience, YMMV)
I even prefer my KAC over my swiss arms carbine in shooting fast, even thou I love my Swiss more in a different way.

My LMT MWS and it's cousins, KAC 14.5 dimpled barrel in the middle, the buttom one is SR15 upper & Noveske lower.
 
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I have had a couple MRPs . Novelty of the barrel swap wore off , since I would rather have just another complete upper

Picked up a Piston MRP 10.5 and just keeps chugging away. Can't even guess the last time I cleaned it

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Only issue I have with previous DI 10.5 is they have relatively small gas port ( .068 to .072 IIRC ) and can short stroke with low pressure / non 5.56 ammo . Their explanation to me was that port size is optimal for FA suppressed and 5.56 ammo.

Can't go wrong with factory gun that uses Rock Creek barrel !
 
I've never had any short stroking problems with my 10.5 LMT, with any kind of ammo. I clean it (that is, I take a good two minutes to wipe off the crap in the receiver/BCG, give it a few drops of Fireclean then slap it shut, I don't mess with the barrel) every 2000 rounds or so.

LMT is the only company I trust for 10.5 barrels. Pretty much everybody else is wayyy overgassed, the others won't even touch 10.5.
 
TRG-42 said:
I have had a couple MRPs . Novelty of the barrel swap wore off , since I would rather have just another complete upper

Picked up a Piston MRP 10.5 and just keeps chugging away. Can't even guess the last time I cleaned it ...
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I just like the barrel change feature as a convenience. Mostly for if a deal comes up on a barrel and I decide to change direction etc. It's faster and easier. Not a real selling feature to me, but a nice convenience. I would also go with a new upper for quick changes.
 
LMT is actually a small company. They put only around 2000 rifles on the market each year, but for now...forget it. They won a contract for 8800 carbines for New Zealand. It's going to take a while for them to process such an order.
 
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