HELP! Sellier and Bellot 9mm 124gr powder and load info? Anyone?

Yes, it is gun powder. :)
Now go out and buy a reloading manual and read it. twice.
I recommend Lyman or the ABC of reloading. They will tell you what you are looking for but I'll give you a hint, nobody should care what is in commercial case. They can and do use "lots" of powder not available to us. You need to work up your own loads. Good luck
 
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Not much help Seagull. Yes, commercials do use bulk lots of powder not available to us reloaders, but if I know the powder type and weight I can probably come up with 2 or 3 comparative powders (with similar structure and burn rate) to narrow down the search. Can you hear me now?
 
Chrossphyre said:
Not much help Seagull. Yes, commercials do use bulk lots of powder not available to us reloaders, but if I know the powder type and weight I can probably come up with 2 or 3 comparative powders (with similar structure and burn rate) to narrow down the search. Can you hear me now?
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LOL, well no one disagreed with me in a week of being posted. Maybe that will tell you I am not off my rocker.
Any manual will list exactly what you are looking for. The ones I recommend even give you the preferred powder. I guarantee you will be happy with most if you work them up. Some are dirtier (that is a whole other debate) than others but they will all shoot pretty good. As for charge weight that too varies by "lot" of powder the company uses. They test each lot and determine how much to use for that lot of powder. Next month/year it could be different.

The real issue is you don't really have a choice as you won't find most of the powders right now and would have to use what ever you can get.
What bullets are you going to use? If its FMJ I recommend just keep buying S&B as you won't save much if anything. If you are using lead then you can save some coin, even with platted but the loading will be different from FMJ as well.
 
Manufacturers don't publish what components they use. They do publish velocities.
S&B's site says their 124 grain SP's MV is 355mps(1164fps.) with 504J(Joules are units of energy. PSI/CUP are pressure units. Neither appear to convert.) of energy. All of the bullet types they load are at slightly different velocities and energy.
Knowing the velocity for a given bullet weight, you can get close by looking in your manual.
The 1164fps is a hot max load with any Hodgdon powder. Accurate RAMSHOT TRUE BLUE starts close to that though. Accurate No. 5 starts at 1174 fps with a jacketed bullet. Rummage around the other manufacturer's on-line load data sites for more.
You'll have to work up the load anyway, but those are at least close.
 
Seagull said:
What bullets are you going to use? If its FMJ I recommend just keep buying S&B as you won't save much if anything. If you are using lead then you can save some coin, even with platted but the loading will be different from FMJ as well.
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I'll be using a 124g FMJ. My calculated cost is just under $10/50 and I can get the S&B for $16 plus tax. I have SWF/Titegroup/Universal in stock and one of those may be close.
 
sunray said:
Manufacturers don't publish what components they use. They do publish velocities.
S&B's site says their 124 grain SP's MV is 355mps(1164fps.) with 504J(Joules are units of energy. PSI/CUP are pressure units. Neither appear to convert.) of energy. All of the bullet types they load are at slightly different velocities and energy.
Knowing the velocity for a given bullet weight, you can get close by looking in your manual.
The 1164fps is a hot max load with any Hodgdon powder. Accurate RAMSHOT TRUE BLUE starts close to that though. Accurate No. 5 starts at 1174 fps with a jacketed bullet. Rummage around the other manufacturer's on-line load data sites for more.
You'll have to work up the load anyway, but those are at least close.
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Thanks sunray - good numbers!
 
Chrossphyre said:
I'll be using a 124g FMJ. My calculated cost is just under $10/50 and I can get the S&B for $16 plus tax. I have SWF/Titegroup/Universal in stock and one of those may be close.
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TiteGroup is very commonly used as so little of it is needed, keeping cost down but watch carefully for double charges. I had no idea factory ammo had climbed that high in price, it has been a while since I bought it. I switched to Berry's 124 platted a while back and was very happy with the results, saved a few more bucks
 
Seagull said:
TiteGroup is very commonly used as so little of it is needed, keeping cost down but watch carefully for double charges. I had no idea factory ammo had climbed that high in price, it has been a while since I bought it. I switched to Berry's 124 platted a while back and was very happy with the results, saved a few more bucks
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My 124's are Wolf and they shoot accurately over SWF (5.8g). I've had Western plated in the past and they were good as well. I keep a finely tuned RCBS Lockout die in my Hornady LNL when using any powder, but especially with Titegroup! Yes, factory ammo of any quality has gone up about 20% since 2012. The CAD/USD disparity won't help this situation but it does make reloading much more viable economically.
 
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