whilst on the hunt, carry different ammo?

[WhelanLad]

hi guys,
I was thinking about how I have a bunch of factory loads I want to use, an how I have quite a few different types laying around in groups of 4-5 some 6 x, I was wondering if anyone Say, went out with TTSX loads, an if the animal needed dispatching from close range, a SP factory was used to kill it?
or I know of some old bloeks who used to use a Partition up first in the barrel, followed by Woodleighs , or some other combination, the idea was the first shot was placed an the rest where on the run an needed penetration.. and sometimes the first was a penetrater followed by softer ones..

but I was more thinkin along the lines of the first shot all good but u need to go in an put a finisher in, so u throw in a surplus round to do so. confidently.


thoughts?


WL

 

[dand883]

As a finisher up close I doubt you would notice a difference, but I've had different factory loads fire at significantly different POI so that I wouldn't want to risk it if I was shooting any amount of distance unless you tested them ahead of time.

Also when you say "surplus" do you mean extra that you have around, or actual military FMJ surplus? Local hunting regs may or may now allow FMJ if that's the surplus you're asking about.

 

[GeoShooter]

I would use the same ammo for hunting that you train with for the best consistency. Each bullet has a different weight and possibly shape, different charge behind it, etc which would affect accuracy

 

[Big Bad]

I carry different shotgun loads when bird hunting but it seems unnecessary for a rifle. However, if one particular load is really expensive compared to another, I get it. As I understand it, the OP is mostly talking about a humane killer from a few feet away, so anything would work. I would not however keep such a thing loaded in the rifle.

 

[thepolinator]

When shotgun hunting absolutely. Othwise its not worth it. I reload my hunting rounds so carrying two types doesnt make much sense.

 

[hoytcanon]

I'm not a fan of that idea. Tune and sight your rifle to your best load and use only that when hunting... shoot up the random stuff at the range. Having said that, I do sometimes carry low power "puff" loads for potting small game... I carry these in a location away from my hunting load and I colour the headstamp with a blue permanent marker to avoid any confusion.

 

[WhelanLad]

yeah mate by surplus just meant laying around.

I would proberly more so do the up close kill shot but not at distance, I actually tried that in the Whelen, as at 100 yards it was ok, past that an once in the field it was a waste of ammo...

What I think I will do is just put the remaining ones aside, one by one, brand by brand ill end up using a box of em in time.

 

[kamlooky]

If you follow through with this ideer, maybe put a kupple three where they couldn't be grabbed
mistakenly.
Like maybe one in each yer back pawkets of yer pantelones.
Pewt'in two tuhgether will make'im clink, clink, clinkititty clink.

Yer cheep'in owt where yah shouldn't............me pense.

 

[two-dogs]

I would not load up a rifle with a mixture. OP, your idea may work with a single shot rifle such as a Ruger No.1, if you clearly mark your various cartridges and know which one is which.

 

[nowarningshot]

I have done something similar to this. My Kliengunther 300 Rum started life as a 300 WM, the magazine box is to short for long range 300 Rum loads. So it carries a general load, and i single load a long range load if needed. Most often if long range, one has more time for fussing over what is up the pipe.

One of my favorite bullets over the years has been the Nosler Partition. They are prone to getting the exposed softpoint lead tip deformed. So cartridges that have that happen get used to check POI pre hunting season or to dispatch/mercy shot a wounded animal at touching distance.

 

[Dogleg]

There's no reason it wouldn't work, as long you keep them separate. Usually it isn't worth the hassle, but if there is anywhere where it would be worthwhile it would be Australia. I usually just blast off the oddballs and left-overs for offhand practice, but theres no real reason why they can't be used for dispatching floppers to save the "good stuff". Whatever you believe the good stuff to be.

I will sometimes carry a few specialty loads when hunting, solids or a close-range heavier bullet. Usually they don't get used, but it gives me something to overthink.

 

[brybenn]

For my double ill often load a flat nose soft in one barrel and a very flat nose hard cast in the other. If i need to take a shoulder shot I use the hard cast. Lung shot I use the soft. If the animal runs I give it the hard cast. It acts like a solid with out the premium price for north American game.
I sometimes carry a few solids for my 458 wm if I need to go in after a wounded bear. I leave my irons set for them so when I take the scope off I'm ready to dump the load and switch over

 

[trevj]

Take all the surplus stuff to the range and shoot it all.

Load a bunch of the 'same' brand cases with the loads that work. Or trade it all off to someone that does not have enough frustration in their life, and does not mind mismatched cases.

In my opinion, guys that explain to you how they use one load to shoot at standing animals, and a different one to shoot in the general direction of a runner, seldom really have a clue where those two different rounds are impacting related to each other. The expectation of accuracy of any sort, in that situation, seems t be fantasy of the purest sort.

Part of the range day during which you burn up the odds and sods, should be to get a really good idea of just how much this changes the points of impact. You may get lucky and discover that some shoot the same POI as others. In that case, be happy, because now you will know! But I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.

About as far as I would be willing to go is to have a few rounds tucked away to use for finishing an animal, maybe. But probably not.

Even expensive ammo is pretty cheap, compared to, say, losing the critter you already shot once.

I initially thought in terms of carrying some light loads for small game along the way, which I would do, but what you propose seems a poor use of your time.

Cheers
Trev

 

[AP]

Take all the surplus stuff to the range and shoot it all.

Load a bunch of the 'same' brand cases with the loads that work. Or trade it all off to someone that does not have enough frustration in their life, and does not mind mismatched cases.

In my opinion, guys that explain to you how they use one load to shoot at standing animals, and a different one to shoot in the general direction of a runner, seldom really have a clue where those two different rounds are impacting related to each other. The expectation of accuracy of any sort, in that situation, seems t be fantasy of the purest sort.

Part of the range day during which you burn up the odds and sods, should be to get a really good idea of just how much this changes the points of impact. You may get lucky and discover that some shoot the same POI as others. In that case, be happy, because now you will know! But I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.

About as far as I would be willing to go is to have a few rounds tucked away to use for finishing an animal, maybe. But probably not.

Even expensive ammo is pretty cheap, compared to, say, losing the critter you already shot once.

I initially thought in terms of carrying some light loads for small game along the way, which I would do, but what you propose seems a poor use of your time.

Cheers
Trev

Agreed.... if you have premium ammo that provides better penetration to anchor running game that would be the first round in my rifle ... and all subsequent rounds for hunting game...

 

[WhelanLad]

Thanks fellas!

great topic.

It is more the price of the Ammo down here which is the blunder for me, say with the 10 XP3, to buy a box to compliment them is around $50 au (if available), the Federal vital shok with ABs are around the same $45-50 and when I am finished with the VorTx Factory, they will be $78 per Box.. of 20!



discussing with a few other hunters an they think the kill shot is a good idea from up close, with our sambar the yare tuff an can take a lot of lead if stressed and full of adrenaline...

the grouse thing is all these bullets look very different, so with 5 TTSX in the pouch and a XP3 or Fed for coupe de grace shots, is something I will look at very closely.


Edit- My cousin at the Gun store says Winchester have dropped there Premium line in Aus. no AB ct, no XP3... so they are now kill shot.


So, Im heading out now to Sight in the TTSX, 30 of them hopefully last a long while an decks some Trophy critters!


WL

 

[WhelanLad]

Fellas!


2 shots an I was SPOT on, around just under 2 inches high at 100m!!! freakin love the Leupolds!

Barnes VorTX 130 TTSX Factorys are now Paired with the Reminton 700...


So far I sent one at 300M to get an idea, 9 inch drop.


Comparing the old load, this one should be grouse to 400!!!, so far ive gained 5 inch drop at 300meters. that's what im talking about!


cleaned the bore an shot a 150gr Federal for fouler reasons, compared to my old POI it was only just to the Left a little...
The Vortx and My Corelokt recipe were 4hi X 2wi inches apart!

Will one day in coming weeks, re touch this thread and see if a XP3 and a Federal AB can land near enough to be practical for Finisher shots, and the test will obvisouly determine if its any use at under 100m


Still, cant believe how easy that was.... LOL, normally I am Effing around, pulling a shot here at cruicial time, wasting ammo.... not today, $80 a box will do dat!


Thanks
a lot

WL

 

[Stevebot-7]

Well I have heard of some people who would make some "Rabbit loads" for their .308 by putting a 00 shot into the case neck. Can't remember if they used any powder or just a primer. According to them it made a subsonic projectile suitable for taking down a rabbit without obliterating it like a .308 projectile might.

I'm curious to try it myself but I needed to wait until I had a shotgun to justify getting any shotgun ammo.


I just realized I sold my only remaining .308 rifle.

Hmm, now I need a new rifle I guess.

 

[Eagleye]

I seldom carry more than one load on my person when hunting.

One exception is when I carry my 30-06 for hunting in country that has Grizzly Bears around.
Then I have 4-5 200 Grain Partitions with me for the extra "clout"
In 2 of my 30-06 rifles, they print to the same POI at 100 & 200 yards as do the 165's and 180's.

A 200 grain Partition at 2700 fps will put a serious hurt on a big Bear.

Regards, Dave.

 

[medvedqc]

Dave,
like you we have some 220 grains rounds with the 30-06 on the sling in case of taking care of an animal and a grizzly is coming other than that i do not see the reason.

those 220 grains are at 100 m just below the 180 grains so it is working for us for the specific situation.

 

[nowarningshot]

For the small game rounds...look up forager rounds on you tube. In 45-70, they cut down a 410 wad....use a limited charge of powder and shot.....then seal it with parafin wax. It would make a survival round, good for 10 yards sort of thing.