Which AR-15's are the most reliable weapon systems? (excluding COLT)

[thump_rrr]

I own 2 Noveskes', a Stag, and a Norinco.
The Norc was obviously my first AR and although it shoots pretty well and is reliable it is not dimensionally perfect IMHO.
The Noveskes and the Stag can be beat on like $2.00 hookers and don't skip a beat.

 

[Wolfstrack]

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[Innavedaw]

Limited experience...the C7 issued way back when and the Norc I bought for myself. Neither ever failed me...with a pretty serious round count...Seems to me that the platform itself is pretty reliable as a rule...and unless there is some flaw in the manufacturing process, you are going to end up with a rifle that is reliable and accurate no matter where you fall on the spectrum.


All that aside, my next one will be a DD Mk18...that's a fine rifle...

 

[Innavedaw]

The number of times I've seen low end gear place at a match... Zero. Which means the quality of the gear does indeed play a role in how well one can perform. That being said, I have seen folks with iron sighted AR's and VZ's absolutely demolish people with very expensive optics on their rifles. Equipment plays a role, but it is still the shooter that makes the shot; If his rifle works..TW25B

I have seen Norc's place well at Service Rifle, I've seen DPMS and S&W M&P15's dominate multigun matches down south...Heck, I've seen an SKS stay in the race at a CQB match (inspired me to try it myself)...Not saying a high quality rifle isn't going to up your game, but you need to have game to begin with. As long as your go to gun is reliable, good shooters can compensate for a lot of perceived disadvantages.

 

[Kingjenky]

Why has no one mentioned arts ar,s

 

[jody_v]

My first and currently only ar is a bushmaster. I've ran probly 1500 rounds through it with not a single issue. It's a work horse for me, has served me very well. Affordable too.

No offense but how do you call something that has been barely broken in with 1500 rounds through it a work horse???

 

[TW25B]

I have seen Norc's place well at Service Rifle, I've seen DPMS and S&W M&P15's dominate multigun matches down south...Heck, I've seen an SKS stay in the race at a CQB match (inspired me to try it myself)...Not saying a high quality rifle isn't going to up your game, but you need to have game to begin with. As long as your go to gun is reliable, good shooters can compensate for a lot of perceived disadvantages.

Not sure if you read all of my last post. I agree that a good shooter makes a huge difference as equipment will only carry you so far. My point was that sub par equipment that doesn't work won't carry you at all. There will always be some poor quality guns that end up running just fine(as far as recreational use is concerned) but why would you take the risk of getting a lemon when you can buy a known brand with a solid reputation, like the ones listed on the first page of this thread?

TW25B

 

[Gunneegoogoo]

Has anyone mentioned the Barrett REC7?? I have one, and love it. It's a Gen I. I'm no expert, I'm not a pro, and I only have a few hundred rounds through it, but I love it. It's well built, and tight. It's not cheap (although I got mine from Wolverine for 30% off), but from what I've read, it's worth it.

-J.

 

[caramel]

My original plan was to get 5 X AR15 for my herd, started with a DD MK18 and i was pleased, then i bought a KAC SR15 Mod, after shooting this AR for one K rounds, i stopped buying AR15...
I knew after this experience, it could not get any better than this so i stayed at 2 X AR15...


It doesnt do any harm either... JP.

It does you no good having a four thousand dollar rifle in the safe under an inch of dust.

 

[Innavedaw]

Not sure if you read all of my last post. I agree that a good shooter makes a huge difference as equipment will only carry you so far. My point was that sub par equipment that doesn't work won't carry you at all. There will always be some poor quality guns that end up running just fine(as far as recreational use is concerned) but why would you take the risk of getting a lemon when you can buy a known brand with a solid reputation, like the ones listed on the first page of this thread?

TW25B

I wasn't arguing...I was just responding to your statement that you have seen "zero" lower end rigs place well in competition. That's not my experience...that's all - I have seen them do well.

As to your other question, perceived value works both ways...even if I had $3000 to spend on one firearm (which I don't so it's moot), I wouldn't currently. I can't see how I would get 5x more out any rifle than I do now.

 

[lawn gnome]

Not sure if you read all of my last post. I agree that a good shooter makes a huge difference as equipment will only carry you so far. My point was that sub par equipment that doesn't work won't carry you at all. There will always be some poor quality guns that end up running just fine(as far as recreational use is concerned) but why would you take the risk of getting a lemon when you can buy a known brand with a solid reputation, like the ones listed on the first page of this thread?

A $500 hammer doesn't make you a better carpenter. All makers have occasional quality problems at times. I have even heard of a Swiss Arms having a malfunction once.
I have worked with CC or Diemacos a bit and sadly over the years, they are also the ones I see most often broken.
That is strictly because I work with them so much.
The way some of them are used I am tempted to qualify them as recreational firearms too.
The way some of them are abused I would hesitate to call them firearms.
There is no limit to the imagination when it comes to a recruit and a firearm.

Does this mean Diemaco are junk.
Not at all.
But,,, I would rather have someone who can manipulate their tools than be an advertising display.

It is good to buy something nice. Not going to disagree there.
It is better to be able to afford something nice.
It is probably best to be capable of doing something with what you have.

 

[Stoner99]

Hk416 is the most reliable all round. Hands down it is built for that purpose. But there are other requirements and needs that do not make it always the first choice for other mil/ Leo or civilians to have in there line up.

As for the norinco argument.

It's just stupid to compare based on a few competitions, the rifle will not last long and is pooched past 10,000 rds or sooner depending on rate of fire. Not to mention on a side note many Norinco M4 users tend to hide the fact of all the replacements parts or upgrades they have done. In the end they may have just been better off buying something better in the first place.

 

[damullet]

Two norincos for $1000 are better than any ar out there for $1000.


In other words buy a norc and beat the snot out of it. Then buy another.

 

[mikethebike]

All my ARs are colt, the way they are running I would always buy colt. Buy colt, buy a couple of spare dd bolts from brownells, you're good to go for a long long time.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Two norincos for $1000 are better than any ar out there for $1000.

Hahahahahahahaha.

 

[WGT Consulting]

Hk416 is the most reliable all round. Hands down it is built for that purpose. But there are other requirements and needs that do not make it always the first choice for other mil/ Leo or civilians to have in there line up.

As for the norinco argument.

It's just stupid to compare based on a few competitions, the rifle will not last long and is pooched past 10,000 rds or sooner depending on rate of fire. Not to mention on a side note many Norinco M4 users tend to hide the fact of all the replacements parts or upgrades they have done. In the end they may have just been better off buying something better in the first place.

All of my course guns (Norinco) are bone stock. They are used by completely new shooters. They don't get treated with kid gloves. They ALL work great. I'd be happy to let anyone take a look at them and judge for yourself how well they are holding up. None of them are at 10,000 rnd mark yet, but there is no doubt that they will still be working. The finish will probably be done way before the barrels and internals. A lot of people are quick to condem certain brands without have much actual experience with them. Second hand stories often take on a life of there own. It's worth doing your own research and making your own conclusions. Seek out people with firearms your interested in and get some first hand knowledge.


Will

 

[dogzilla]

For me the only thing that matter is that they are Mil Spec. Why do you think it is possible for us to mix and match parts like we do. If all the parts are in spec then any combination of any brands should function as they should. Everything else is prettying them up. And there is nothing wrong with a nice looking firearm, but it doesn't affect function.

 

[pmt]

Guys, this is a shout out to all LE/Military members on the CGN forum. In your professional opinion (ie: based on your experience and operations), what are the best manufactuers for a AR-15/Patrol Carbine (excluding Colt because we all know it's awesome...lol) that you would bet your life on and where would I get them in Canada?

Examples: Stag, Daniel Defense, Sig, LMT etc. Thanks

Where are you going in Canada that you will 'bet your life' on your weapon systems?...........or are you just looking for a good plinker for the range?

 

[Stray03]

You can be loud and proud all you want, but the antis aren't listening and the media will simply write you off as just another angry redneck with a gun. Framing your AR within the context of just another sporting rifle helps tear down their boogeyman and show the public that black rifles are legitimate sporting rifles, no different than any other sporting rifle of a more traditional design.

If you think you can turn the vocal anti gun crowd that you see spouting BS on the media into accepting of firearms you are wrong. It is a religion to them, they won't change their minds, Like politics, Harper, mulcair and justin could be CP-ing on their days off, and you would still have their followers defending them as good people. Stop trying to win over the antis, they make up 10 percent of the population, you would have more luck telling the people you are talking to about the complete ignorance displayed in calling firearms assault weapons. We cant do that though, because as I said, we are average and there are still lots of shooters who interchange the terms assault rifle and assault weapon as if they mean the same thing. If gun owners were smart we would have been way ahead of where we are now, but instead, we are afraid learn, and many think that they already know all they need to about guns. (look at the stink about forcing people to take a 1 day safety course)

 

[Melnibonean]

Where are you going in Canada that you will 'bet your life' on your weapon systems?...........or are you just looking for a good plinker for the range?

I dunno.......if the power grid gets fried world wide by a solar event, I can see a time when WROL would be the norm until communities get organized. Other than that.....