ANSWERED Where can I find documentation that my XCR-L magazines are legal on my AR

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Where can I found documentation to show LE that my XCR-L 10 round Pistol magazines are legal on my AR?

I have been diligently searching, especially Stickies, but haven't found it.

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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You may have a problem with this one. As far as I can see, the magazine used in the XCR-L pistol is the same one used for all other XCR-L models. There's no special magazine designed expressly for the pistol model. http://xcr.robarm.com/xcrl.php

This would place those magazines squarely in the second paragraph of bulletin 72, "Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns". And that means the max legal capacity is 5 rounds.

You'll have to use LAR-15 or Beowulf magazines to bypass that issue.
 
You may have a problem with this one. As far as I can see, the magazine used in the XCR-L pistol is the same one used for all other XCR-L models. There's no special magazine designed expressly for the pistol model. http://xcr.robarm.com/xcrl.php

This would place those magazines squarely in the second paragraph of bulletin 72, "Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns". And that means the max legal capacity is 5 rounds.

You'll have to use LAR-15 or Beowulf magazines to bypass that issue.

The good people at Wanstalls recommended these as legal for 10 rounds in an AR.
 
No offense intended to any of our good dealers, but I've noticed a trend lately that worries me a bit... quite a few scratched, worn and obviously used magazines are showing up on the market with various markings claiming they're intended for such or such "pistol" model or for a very specific large cartridge caliber.

Remember that the bulletin says "Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use...".

If I was a suspicious, nasty and cynical person, I could easily imagine a Judge saying "Those items before me were not designed or manufactured for use specifically for any pistols. They are regular, NATO STANAG-compliant rifle magazines that were re-purposed to a different firearm model or caliber by simply adding a label/stamp/mark on their exterior. Since they were originally designed for a semiautomatic centrefire rifle, their legal maximum capacity is five rounds and the magazines before me are in fact prohibited devices. Defendant condemned to two years minus served time."

At this time, I am not aware of any case like this happening, so it's all hypothetical. I have no doubt that a good defence lawyer could find avenues for including "re-purposed" within the meaning of "designed or manufactured for use".

I may be paranoid, granted! But if/when I buy AR-15 type magazines, they will be brand spanking new and from a manufacturer of readily available .223 or 7.62x39 pistols or Beowulf uppers. :)

*hides from the circling black choppers*




<edit> P.S. That picture may not be representative of any magazine you got from Wanstalls, I realize. The paranoid argument still stands. :)
 
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No offense intended to any of our good dealers, but I've noticed a trend lately that worries me a bit... quite a few scratched, worn and obviously used magazines are showing up on the market with various markings claiming they're intended for such or such "pistol" model or for a very specific large cartridge caliber.

Remember that the bulletin says "Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use...".

If I was a suspicious, nasty and cynical person, I could easily imagine a Judge saying "Those items before me were not designed or manufactured for use specifically for any pistols. They are regular, NATO STANAG-compliant rifle magazines that were re-purposed to a different firearm model or caliber by simply adding a label/stamp/mark on their exterior. Since they were originally designed for a semiautomatic centrefire rifle, their legal maximum capacity is five rounds and the magazines before me are in fact prohibited devices. Defendant condemned to two years minus served time."

At this time, I am not aware of any case like this happening, so it's all hypothetical. I have no doubt that a good defence lawyer could find avenues for including "re-purposed" within the meaning of "designed or manufactured for use".

I may be paranoid, granted! But if/when I buy AR-15 type magazines, they will be brand spanking new and from a manufacturer of readily available .223 or 7.62x39 pistols or Beowulf uppers. :)

*hides from the circling black choppers*


<edit> P.S. That picture may not be representative of any magazine you got from Wanstalls, I realize. The paranoid argument still stands. :)



Why post this and give the anti's any more ideas???

The XCR-L mag's rigged for #10rds. are all labeled as Pistol mag.'s and that's all that's required, no need for being paranoid...

Cheers D
 
No offense intended to any of our good dealers, but I've noticed a trend lately that worries me a bit... quite a few scratched, worn and obviously used magazines are showing up on the market with various markings claiming they're intended for such or such "pistol" model or for a very specific large cartridge caliber.

Remember that the bulletin says "Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use...".

If I was a suspicious, nasty and cynical person, I could easily imagine a Judge saying "Those items before me were not designed or manufactured for use specifically for any pistols. They are regular, NATO STANAG-compliant rifle magazines that were re-purposed to a different firearm model or caliber by simply adding a label/stamp/mark on their exterior. Since they were originally designed for a semiautomatic centrefire rifle, their legal maximum capacity is five rounds and the magazines before me are in fact prohibited devices. Defendant condemned to two years minus served time."

At this time, I am not aware of any case like this happening, so it's all hypothetical. I have no doubt that a good defence lawyer could find avenues for including "re-purposed" within the meaning of "designed or manufactured for use".

I may be paranoid, granted! But if/when I buy AR-15 type magazines, they will be brand spanking new and from a manufacturer of readily available .223 or 7.62x39 pistols or Beowulf uppers. :)

*hides from the circling black choppers*


<edit> P.S. That picture may not be representative of any magazine you got from Wanstalls, I realize. The paranoid argument still stands. :)

weve been through this 15187 times already...
 
Why post this and give the anti's any more ideas???
The XCR-L mag's rigged for #10rds. are all labeled as Pistol mag.'s and that's all that's required, no need for being paranoid...
Cheers D

Zeroed-in, heehee... if they need me to give them practical ideas, we've been worrying all this time over nothing at all: they're so inept as to be totally harmless to us! ;)


Good morning, Grumpy Mike! :)

For all the time I've been lurking then participating to these forums, I've seen quite a few discussions on Bulletin 72 interpretation, but none that addressed the legality of re-purposed mags. They seem like a relatively new item on the market. Is there somewhere a lawyer's opinion on it? A CSSA or NFA briefing note on the subject? Would you care to tell me why the hypothetical judgement quote I made is impossible in reality and we're really all safe? Would you have a link to something informative?

Thanks buddy. Be helpful, yes?
 
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