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I read that guns cannot be imported as deactivated or live to be deactivated for collectors. So that if this is true, all of the deactivated guns now are either
old registered fa guns or registered ca guns. Is this correct or not? I notice that there are dealer sales of deactivated guns.
 
a live full auto can be imported by dealers with the right licence and then deactivated, and deactivated guns can also be imported by those dealers and made to meet canadian standards
 
scott585 said:
a live full auto can be imported by dealers with the right licence and then deactivated, and deactivated guns can also be imported by those dealers and made to meet canadian standards
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Marstar, as an example, has stated that they cannot deactivate full auto firearms that they've imported as live but can import firearms that have been deactivated to current Canadian standards, not sure if that applies to all dealers or just their particular license
 
schmidt64 said:
Marstar, as an example, has stated that they cannot deactivate full auto firearms that they've imported as live but can import firearms that have been deactivated to current Canadian standards, not sure if that applies to all dealers or just their particular license
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it may involve being a manufacturer or something, i dont know that marstar can import full auto for any reason, but ATRS can (or could in the past.)
 
schmidt64 said:
Marstar, as an example, has stated that they cannot deactivate full auto firearms that they've imported as live but can import firearms that have been deactivated to current Canadian standards, not sure if that applies to all dealers or just their particular license
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Obvious question is, why don't we see more of them ? Betting the East Bloc countries supplying us with " Red Rifles" and captured K 98s have more interesting toys in their salt mines. ;)

Grizz
 
There are several aproved reasons to import non-grandfathered prohibs: for sale to museums, movie props, or government sales are a few of them. Deactivation is not an approved reason to import a non-grandfathered prohib, and the CFC will not approve transfers or deactivations for that purpose. I believe it was about 4 years ago that they started enforcing this line of reasoning.
 
I bought one (fully functional) at an auction sale in Calgary a few years ago, and had it decommissioned, the only way I could find one, this is the only way that I could ever own a world war two firearms, keep an eye on the auction market, just have to send it to a gunsmith for decommissioning.
 
stencollector said:
There are several aproved reasons to import non-grandfathered prohibs: for sale to museums, movie props, or government sales are a few of them. Deactivation is not an approved reason to import a non-grandfathered prohib, and the CFC will not approve transfers or deactivations for that purpose. I believe it was about 4 years ago that they started enforcing this line of reasoning.
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how did that batch of AK-74s get in then? i think a batch of DP-28s came in recently to another dealer too

can they be imported for a movie, used, deactivated and then sold?
 
Pretty sure already deactivated firearms can be imported without issue, as long as the deactivation is up to what the RCMP want before it comes in.. Problem is most places don't have the same guidelines.
 
scott585 said:
how did that batch of AK-74s get in then? i think a batch of DP-28s came in recently to another dealer too

can they be imported for a movie, used, deactivated and then sold?
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The Canada Customs regulations caused a catch 22 that, while it appeared to still allow deactivated guns into the country, was in conflict with the RCMPs rules on reasons you could import firearms into the country. There was one sea container of dewats that made it through to Serba arms in Edmonton a couple years ago, and there were the more recent AK variants from Marstar, but those seem to be exceptions and am not sure how they came to be. I had it from a major importer and dealer of deactivated firearms that basically what full and converted arms were still in the country were pretty much the only source of future dewat supply here.

Movie imports fall into the same reasoning for as non-grandfathered arms is my understanding.

The cause of all this seems to have been some of the Marstar non-grandfathered full autos were transferred to a firearms business in BC, who passed them on to a third party which then claimed to have deactivated them. The guns turned up live. The CFC was not pleased, so enforced the existing regulations to close the ability of authorized dealers to purchase the marstar guns for the purpose of deactivation. I know of one dealer who had transferred some from Marstar, but a month later the CFC reversed the transfer and he had to scramble to sort out the already sold dewats.

Regulations change and some businesses may have the ability to meet the catch 22 conditions that the bureaucrats create. And sometimes the odd shipment may slip through. But I strongly suspect we will never see the selection and quality of guns like the days of Kearns and McMurchy.
 
Since I can't legally own a full auto Thompson due to having not been in the "club" in 1978 I'd still like to have a deactivated one for the WWII USGI collection.

Some day, some day. Next trip to Vegas going to hit one of those ranges & actually fire a real Thompson. Bucket list kinda thing. :cool:

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