Review of Palmetto State Armoury 7.62x39mm 10.5" Upper

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There is likely a number of these out there, and still likely a number of shooters on the fence about getting into an AR that fires the venerable 7.62x39mm cartridge. I didn't see much for reviews except for a couple of guys saying they received them and were happy.

A while back I sold my restricted VZ58 - I wasn't shooting CQB matches which it was bought for and had a hankering to get another one. Prohibitive costs on the '58s and '858s in today's market made me re-think that option (plus I don't think they are worth what the current market is asking).
I recently dove into one of these PSA uppers as I watched IRG bring in shipment after shipment (I got in at the tail of shipment #3).
I've been sceptical of 7.62x39 ARs to this point for two main reasons:
1) reliability of AR mags feeding a x39 round has always been reported as the sh!ts, and
2) use of corrosive ammo in an AR was never appealing.

The benefits brought me 'round though and those are:
1) cheap ammo = cheap training. A .22lr upper would be cheaper still, but it takes away the recoil which is a factor of training that shouldn't ignored IMHO.
2) non-corrosive, new manufacture ammo that is still cheaper than handloading 5.56 has hit the market, creating another option to the already inexpensive corrosive surplus that is abundant currently.
3) this upper was complete, well built and for a decent price - even after exchange and shipping it was around $600 Canadian all in.
4) 10 round XCR pistol mags are everywhere and have a pretty decent reputation.


So yesterday I had an opportunity to take it out and run a few hundred rounds through it and the 10 pistol mags I bought for it.
I used a mixture of brass-cased, berdan primed surplus (I believe South African) and Czech steel cased surplus.

I fired off around 300 rounds with no misfires (I have read light strikes can result from deep seated primers and weaker hammer springs) - the lower I used is a Colt's with a stock Giesell SR trigger.

Mags worked fine when loaded with 5 - 7 rounds loaded in them, but started having feeding issues with more.
More than 7 rounds in the mags are quite tight, so maybe the springs need to be worked in. Either way it really confirmed my belief that the standard metal box AR magazine is a poor design regardless what round it is trying to supply to the rifle.




Both the Czech and SA stuff shot about the same. Both were printing around 4"-6" ten round groups at 100m, fired from the prone, with bag support. (Scope is a ACOG TA-31 with donut reticle) Best groups measured just over 3"





 
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It is funny you mention recoil impulse, because as I was writing this I was thinking I need to put the birdcage back on my other 10.5", 5.56 shorty and compare the two.
I think overall the 5.56 will have more muzzle rise and the 7.62 more rearward push - but I certainly can't qualify that as anything but my perception. I didn't feel the muzzle jumped around much with the A2. If I decide to run this in CQB or three gun where there is a clear advantage to quick follow up shots, I'll look at a brake or comp. of some sort.
 
OP: make sure you clean and lube your XCR mags... I'm not joking!!! My friends XCR-L runs smooth as long as he applies a THIN wipe of CLP to the inside once every few range trips.

I passed on the PSA upper and bought a Windham x39. Haven't been able to take it out to play yet!

Have fun!
 
Another tip: you don't have much to fear from corrosive ammo if you take a spray bottle with a water/Ballistol emulsion to the range. Spray down the bore, action and gas effected parts before you leave. The water will start neutralizing the salts and the Ballistol will help protect it. Make sure you clean promptly!
 
G00d review.
A bunch 0f our clients have 0rdered our 762 Linear comp to go with these uppers would be good t0 see a review 0n different muzzle devices 0n this upper.
 
Have you had any issues with ejection? I have the 7.5" and its not tossing the round out 99% of the time i will find the round just sitting on top of the mag. I am using Norinco Non corrosive, i have some other stuff i am going to try but i dont think the issue is the ammo.
 
Nice review. I was tempted to get the PSA x39 to go with the Windham x39 I already had.....but budget said 'No'.
I've had good luck with Czech x39 ammo in my Windham x39.

I too find only 7-8rds work well in the mags. I'll have to try a thin lube wipe down.

I too think corrosive is non-issue for AR's.
I just spray the rifle down (and inside the gas tube on the Windham x39) with WD40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor and if necessary, not worry about cleaning for a few days.
http://wd40specialist.com/products/corrosion-inhibitor/
Apparently tuff works well as corrosion protector (but has no significant lube properties), and so does other stuff as shown here.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=398836

In reality I don't have to worry about long term corrosion protection, as usually I clean the same day, or three days later maximum. No rust ever, even when I use normal sprays like regular wd40 or other spray can oil lubricants that I have on hand.
 
Have you had any issues with ejection? I have the 7.5" and its not tossing the round out 99% of the time i will find the round just sitting on top of the mag. I am using Norinco Non corrosive, i have some other stuff i am going to try but i dont think the issue is the ammo.

I'm a lefty and the Czech stuff was showing signs of week ejection as it was throwing the cases into my right shoulder.
I would say it is totally ammo related/dependant.
 
I've got some really bad magazine issues with my Windham x39.
The XCR 10round magazines functioned ok to start but quickly shat the bed. Every other round seems to be a FTfeed. Also it is hard to get all 10 rounds into the mags.
Ive been using norinco (non-corrosive), MFS and Hornandy ammo.
So it seems we have some common problems.
 
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Have you had any issues with ejection? I have the 7.5" and its not tossing the round out 99% of the time i will find the round just sitting on top of the mag. I am using Norinco Non corrosive, i have some other stuff i am going to try but i dont think the issue is the ammo.

Did you try other ammo later? I'm having the same issue with Norinco Non Corrosive. I tried MFS Steel Case and it ejected fine.
 
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