Aluminum rifle cleaning rods - really all that bad?

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Noob request for clarification - as I go about self-educating, I see information online & in YT vids that lays out the terrible evils of sectional aluminum cleaning rods. Are they really that bad?

Reason for asking is that I'm having trouble reconciling that a few incidental contacts at the crown with an aluminum cleaning rod could make such a difference. Some sources mention it's the lip caused by differences in the diameter between the rod sections and the jag/brush that cause the problem when these junctions are pushed through the barrel or contact the crown if pushed past the barrel end. Like many woodworkers I've milled aluminum on a router table, ripped it on the tablesaw, crosscut it on the compound miter saw - it cuts very easily & safely with no more risk/worry of damage to your tooling than wood. Aluminum is just too soft a material to seem like it would pose any kind of problem to the steel of a rifle barrel. I've crosscut and drilled/tapped brass and and it's even softer than aluminum.

Now, some sites mention the softness of the material as being the root cause of the issue here, as it permits the embedment of abrasive particles. The contention is that it's actually those particles that cause the problem. Coated steel or carbon fibre single-section rods are held as the gold standard as a result. I have a bit of trouble with this one too, as it seems to me that any surface sufficiently soft so as not to cause worry of harm to the barrel would simultaneously allow for the embedment of abrasive particles as well.

Finally, copper is a soft material too. The copper/copper alloy jacketing of a bullet seems every bit as likely to collect abrasive material as aluminum, brass, carbon fiber, plastic coating. That a barrel sees so many more of these passing through them than swipes with a cleaning rod, it seems like bullets hold the greater potential to cause damage.

Are we looking at a tempest in a teapot here, or is this sectional aluminum rod argument a real thing? I'm just getting myself set up here & I have a segmented aluminum rod cleaning kit that got handed down. It's hardly been used and always been stored in its case. Am I OK using this thing, or is using it such a risk that purchasing an alternative is warranted?
 
Look what water did to the grand canyon...... :)
You sound like a sensible person, Take a look at your rod and feel with your fingers if there are any burrs or lips, smooth any problem areas with some emery cloth, clean your bores with nice smooth, straight pull's.
Bore Guides can help eliminate extra friction from not pulling the rod straight.
It's hard to argue against good rods and bore guides but if you use some common sense, awareness and good technique you should do all right with what you have until you decide to upgrade.
 
I don't feel that aluminium rods are bad as far as harming your barrel crown, but every aluminium rod Ive ever had has always ended up breaking at one of the segments. A Tipton one piece rod has worked out much better for my needs.
 
I don't feel that aluminium rods are bad as far as harming your barrel crown, but every aluminium rod Ive ever had has always ended up breaking at one of the segments. A Tipton one piece rod has worked out much better for my needs.

I agree, if the aluminium rod flexes it can bend or break at the joints which are the weakest points. I went through a few too many sets before saying why am I wasting money on this junk. Get a carbon fibre rod and you won't need worry.
 
I think you have very well thought out the cleaning rod controversy, with a plain, old common sense view, which is rare to see today, especially on the CGN!
There are countless unproven theories in the shooting world, that people who do not know if they are true, or hogwash, keep repeating over and over to anyone who will listen.
Until someone gets two identical new rifles and clean each one of them the same amount of times, over a great many years, using a aluminum jointed rod in one and a "safe" cleaning rod in the other, we will never know the answer.
 
If you're overzealous with your cleaning and you clean rigorously and often you *could* cause issues. That said aluminum is way softer than steel and it would take a lot of misuse to damage your crown with an aluminum rod.
 
Look what water did to the grand canyon...... :)
You sound like a sensible person, Take a look at your rod and feel with your fingers if there are any burrs or lips, smooth any problem areas with some emery cloth, clean your bores with nice smooth, straight pull's.
Bore Guides can help eliminate extra friction from not pulling the rod straight.
It's hard to argue against good rods and bore guides but if you use some common sense, awareness and good technique you should do all right with what you have until you decide to upgrade.

The grand canyon was formed over millions of years. So if you plan on cleaning your rifle a million times over a million years, have at it.

But the rest of your advice is wise. Take your time, be deliberate, and do you best to minimize contact with the crown.
 
don't think I ever saw a rod ever used in the military- it was always pull-through with jags stored in the buttstock
 
The grand canyon was formed over millions of years. So if you plan on cleaning your rifle a million times over a million years, have at it.

But the rest of your advice is wise. Take your time, be deliberate, and do you best to minimize contact with the crown.

Are you suggesting using running water to clean a rifle?

:)

Thanks for the history/hydro/geology lesson.
 
I clean my gun by shooting more bullets through it. The crud left by the first bullet gets knocked out by the second! :ar15:
 
don't think I ever saw a rod ever used in the military- it was always pull-through with jags stored in the buttstock

What's that thing under the barrel of many mausers, mosins, sks' etc?

Cords from pull throughs can damage barrels as well. Likely these best advice has already been given, just use care.
 
OK, now that's interesting. Now, assuming proper use of boreguides & setting pullthroughs aside as they're extraneous to the discussion, have you yourself seen actual barrel/crown damage that you can say is clearly attributable to aluminum rod use, guntech?
 
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in Canada we used the fn-c1, not mausers or mosins,sks, or any of them there furrin rifles - how do u know what I saw?- I said I never saw any, not that they didn't exist- worlds of difference- for all you know maybe I was manning a TYPEWRITER , driving a truck, or whatever - not every soldier carries a rifle
 
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I got tired of the black aluminum oxide left behind, and constantly having to retighten the threaded joints of multi-piece aluminum rods. I don't have either issue with my one piece Dewey. I still use the first section of the aluminum rod with the tee handle though - I keep a wool .410 mop on it for cleaning out the chamber after I've done the barrell with wipe-out, which seems to work very well for me.
 
in Canada we used the fn-c1, not mausers or mosins,sks, or any of them there furrin rifles - how do u know what I saw?- I said I never saw any, not that they didn't exist- worlds of difference- for all you know maybe I was manning a TYPEWRITER , driving a truck, or whatever - not every soldier carries a rifle

I know for a fact there was issued cleaning kits for the FN that had metal cleaning rods. I think the Military re purposed the FN cleaning pouches for the C9 LMG. Since my service in 2001 I never saw any pull thru's and actually it was discouraged to weapon techs having fun trying to remove bore snakes stuck in the bore. Just because you didnt, didnt mean they didnt use it.

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