Re holstering is a non issue as you are not supposed to have your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to engage a target. I think you are freaking out because this is all new to you. The range officer will stop you way before your pistol will head toward your holster if you practice unsafe gun handling.
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Re holstering is a non issue as you are not supposed to have your finger on the trigger unless you are ready to engage a target. I think you are freaking out because this is all new to you. The range officer will stop you way before your pistol will head toward your holster if you practice unsafe gun handling.
It does not absolve me handling my firearm responsibly. It is a very important tool to aid me i that responsiblity.
And what happens when the trigger gets caught on something?
My range does not have a range officer, so how he is going to stop me, i don't know.
Even it had one, he can't watch everything at once and bad things can happen in a second
If we are talking about a single action trigger pull with the hammer cocked, then yes, you need to have the safety engaged. As for a Sig p226, as long as you are in double action, an external safety is useless because the firing pin is blocked unless you intentionally press the trigger.
If you still don't understand, you should stay away from handguns.
I understand the mechanics of trigger systems. The problem is without a real safety, all these other systems can be defeted with a simple pull of the trigger. Triggers can easly get caught on gear and clothes. A real safety is the only solution.
And what happens when you forget to apply the mechanical safety or it fails?? A quality holster is designed to prevent it's edges or bits from entering the trigger guard. More importantly the holstering process is NOT A RACE. You seem to be coming up with excuses as to why you need a manual safety on a firearm, yet you admit you have little experience with a handgun. Keep your finger off the trigger and take a course. It's not voodoo, it's simply a mechanical device that YOU control, not the other way around. If you're that worried about it then I strongly suggest another recreational activity.
TW25B
You are correct. However, all the other safeties don't really count, as they can be bypassed by pressing the trigger.... on purpose or not.
Yes, i can forget to apply it and it can fail, but it is an extra layer of protection.
Why many of you think that extra layer of protection is not important i can not fathom.
If your trigger is getting caught on gear and clothing you need to rethink your gear and clothing. It's not the guns fault but the fault of the person handling it. I've shot for 45 years and never have seen anyone's gear get in the way. And I shot competively and taken many courses. You are over thinking things.
They also work whether or not the operator forgets to activate them
You are making a big deal about nothing here.
Shawn
I never use the safety on any of my handguns.
I shoot paper at a range. When I am not actively shooting then the action on is open, the magazine is out. I do not load the firearm until I am ready to resume shooting.
I also feel that people think "safties" make their firearm safe. Its not safe, that safety can fail or be knocked into not safe.
There might be use cases for safties that just don't apply to me in this country, I don't know.
On the 92fs I hated the slide safety so much I switched to a Wilson combat low profile one side only safety so I could essentially pretend its not there.
I shoot paper at a range. When I am not actively shooting then the action on is open, the magazine is out. I do not load the firearm until I am ready to resume shooting.
I also feel that people think "safties" make their firearm safe. Its not safe, that safety can fail or be knocked into not safe.
There might be use cases for safties that just don't apply to me in this country, I don't know.
On the 92fs I hated the slide safety so much I switched to a Wilson combat low profile one side only safety so I could essentially pretend its not there.
Manual safeties are only an "extra layer of protection" if you REMEMBER to apply them. If you need to remember to apply a manual safety then you can remember to keep your finger off the trigger. Spooksar has covered the gear issue, which is entirely due to poor gear selection and not the design of the firearm. Revolvers have no safeties and never have. Striker fired guns like the Glock are in service by the millions, as are DA/SA guns like the SIG which also has no manual safety. The issue is the user not the equipment. Take a course, use your head and stop over thinking this.
TW25B
I have all the handguns you mentioned you had tried at the range. If you feel better with a safety, get one with a safety such as a 1911 in 9mm or .45acp. I use a holster at the range, never carry with a chambered round and only chamber when I am ready to shoot, therefore never use the safety at all. If I had a chambered round, then I would use a safety. However, do what you feel best with, and get the training, and practice. Remember that any mechanical device can fail, even a safety, only rely on your own absolute commitment to trigger control, muzzle control, and Acts and Prove.
Good luck and be safe.
Good luck and be safe.
I probably shoot more Glocks than anything else but I actually mostly agree with the OP. You can work around the no-safety issue but IMO it's a defect. We've all grown to accept the idea that guns don't need safeties even if they have 3 pound, 1/8" triggers...but I agree that there's an inherent risk to using guns which can be partially mitigated with safety switches. In particular, the holstering process can be pretty dangerous unless your form is really solid, and that's where people have traditionally ventilated themselves.
Where I disagree is on TDA guns like the 226. Once you hit the decocker, you would really have to work hard to accidentally trip that trigger. So I wouldn't let the lack of a 1911-style safety dissuade me from a 226 or other guns with a DA first pull as long as there's a decocker and, ideally, a hammer you can rest your thumb on as you holster. If the hammer starts coming back, you know you're about to get flashed and banged.
I shoot a lot of glocks so apparently I'm okay with no external safety at all, but it does mean that the reholster has to be WAY more careful, at least until The Gadget makes it up here. Your reholster should be careful regardless, but on a Glock it should be very careful. Don't wear jackets with toggles, etc etc etc. Anyone who's been on the line with me knows I'm usually the last guy to finish reholstering, even when using guns WITH safeties.
If I were you I'd look at the M&P line which can be had with a thumb safety, and is reasonably priced, or the SR9 if you want a bit more of a budget option.
Also: never, ever let other people convince you to do stuff you think is unsafe. You may well be wrong, but then again...maybe they've just grown numb to the dangers. If you want a gun with a safety, get one.
Where I disagree is on TDA guns like the 226. Once you hit the decocker, you would really have to work hard to accidentally trip that trigger. So I wouldn't let the lack of a 1911-style safety dissuade me from a 226 or other guns with a DA first pull as long as there's a decocker and, ideally, a hammer you can rest your thumb on as you holster. If the hammer starts coming back, you know you're about to get flashed and banged.
I shoot a lot of glocks so apparently I'm okay with no external safety at all, but it does mean that the reholster has to be WAY more careful, at least until The Gadget makes it up here. Your reholster should be careful regardless, but on a Glock it should be very careful. Don't wear jackets with toggles, etc etc etc. Anyone who's been on the line with me knows I'm usually the last guy to finish reholstering, even when using guns WITH safeties.
If I were you I'd look at the M&P line which can be had with a thumb safety, and is reasonably priced, or the SR9 if you want a bit more of a budget option.
Also: never, ever let other people convince you to do stuff you think is unsafe. You may well be wrong, but then again...maybe they've just grown numb to the dangers. If you want a gun with a safety, get one.
I agree 100%
I practice draws from several types of holsters from my G-Code on my battle belt , to several types of iwb holsters. None of my pistols have external safeties and never have I had any issues. This is due to steady practice and training. Millions of people carry iwb with a chambered round on pistols with no external safeties without accidental discharges.
It's all about keeping your booger hooker off the bang switch.
If the OP wants to start off with a pistol with an external safety, what is the harm?
As long as they train safely with the safety or without a safety, what is the harm?
I have both types of pistols. When I shoot any of my single action pistols at the range I prefer to point the pistol down range, then chamber a round and then apply my external safety. Keeping the pistol pointed safely downrange I can then train myself to take the safety off once my pistol is pointed on target and my trigger finger starts to enter the trigger guard.
If $ is an issue I'd just buy a Norinco NP-29. Otherwise a higher end 9mm 1911 or maybe a classic Browning Hi Power. I like single action pistols.
OP, safe shooting, have fun and enjoy.
As long as they train safely with the safety or without a safety, what is the harm?
I have both types of pistols. When I shoot any of my single action pistols at the range I prefer to point the pistol down range, then chamber a round and then apply my external safety. Keeping the pistol pointed safely downrange I can then train myself to take the safety off once my pistol is pointed on target and my trigger finger starts to enter the trigger guard.
If $ is an issue I'd just buy a Norinco NP-29. Otherwise a higher end 9mm 1911 or maybe a classic Browning Hi Power. I like single action pistols.
OP, safe shooting, have fun and enjoy.
