low psi 30/30 load
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Just follow your manual. Cast bullets are by nature low powered compared to copper clad.
I cast up some 150's and went a couple grains over minimum. Had my 17 year old daughter rip through them like nothing. I was using 3031
I cast up some 150's and went a couple grains over minimum. Had my 17 year old daughter rip through them like nothing. I was using 3031
Im with you, my non hunting , non shooting wife quite enjoyed shooting a 6.5 Japanese rifle loaded with unique powder under a plain base lead bullet. Low recoil and low noise. The Lyman cast reloading handbook has lots of light loads. The http://castpics.net/dpl/ site has lots of good load info.
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Everything mentioned here works.
My favorite reduced velocity powder is trail boss; I have TB loads for rifles that loaf along at around 600 fps for small game without any bloodshot meat, or up to 1300 or so...
My favorite reduced velocity powder is trail boss; I have TB loads for rifles that loaf along at around 600 fps for small game without any bloodshot meat, or up to 1300 or so...
Trail Boss is not some magical powder. It will work but it is only one of many.
The 4198 you have already is on of the suggested powders for use with cast loads in the main Hodgkin manual under the cowboy action section. The suggested loading for a 160gn cast bullet is from 15 to 17 grains. From shooting the same amount of 4198 powder in my 38-55 loads I can say that it's a nice soft recoil.
If it proves to be still to much then your next step would be 110gn .30 Carbine bullet,ers with light charges of pistol powders or something like Unique.
The 4198 you have already is on of the suggested powders for use with cast loads in the main Hodgkin manual under the cowboy action section. The suggested loading for a 160gn cast bullet is from 15 to 17 grains. From shooting the same amount of 4198 powder in my 38-55 loads I can say that it's a nice soft recoil.
If it proves to be still to much then your next step would be 110gn .30 Carbine bullet,ers with light charges of pistol powders or something like Unique.
Brutus
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From Ken Waters Pet Loads, this bullet and 27.2 grains of this IMR powder provide an excellent low recoiling and accurate handload in the 30-30 chambering.
PS: It will print about 2-3 inches higher then 150 gr factory ammunition @100 yards. (BTW, with single loads hand fed right into the chamber)
I find Trail Boss to be very hit and miss. Sometimes it's amazing other times I get pressure issues with very low velocities or just terrible accuracy no matter what I do.
Trail Boss produces more pressure for any given velocity than conventional powders. That isn't an issue unless you're shooting an antique meant for black powder but it is a good thing to know when using it. You can get pressure signs at much reduced velocities from where you would normally encounter them.
It was also originally designed as a reduced velocity/cowboy load pistol powder. It just happens to work in most rifle cartridges (to varying effectiveness's).
Following the 80% volume rule that Hodgdon publishes I've gotten some real winners and some terrible results as well. The 80% rule in a .45-70 with cast bullets tends to produce bad results and published TB data for the .45-70 is often below the 80% capacity mark.
Many of my most accurate cast bullet loads for bottleneck rifle cartridges tend to use H4198 or IMR3031. I also get great results with SR-4759 but it's been discontinued so I'm sitting on my last few pounds hoping they decide to bring it back again (they discontinued and brought it back before; sometime in the 1980's). If I want to go really light I'll usually just use 10-15gr of pretty much any fast to medium speed shotgun powder.
I'm not saying TB is a bad powder, it isn't, it just isn't as universally awesome as some people tout it to be. I have some pretty great loads using TB in some rifle cartridges. My Martini-Enfield in .303B just loves light loads with TB and cast bullets. As does my Swede rolling block in 8x58RD.
Trail Boss produces more pressure for any given velocity than conventional powders. That isn't an issue unless you're shooting an antique meant for black powder but it is a good thing to know when using it. You can get pressure signs at much reduced velocities from where you would normally encounter them.
It was also originally designed as a reduced velocity/cowboy load pistol powder. It just happens to work in most rifle cartridges (to varying effectiveness's).
Following the 80% volume rule that Hodgdon publishes I've gotten some real winners and some terrible results as well. The 80% rule in a .45-70 with cast bullets tends to produce bad results and published TB data for the .45-70 is often below the 80% capacity mark.
Many of my most accurate cast bullet loads for bottleneck rifle cartridges tend to use H4198 or IMR3031. I also get great results with SR-4759 but it's been discontinued so I'm sitting on my last few pounds hoping they decide to bring it back again (they discontinued and brought it back before; sometime in the 1980's). If I want to go really light I'll usually just use 10-15gr of pretty much any fast to medium speed shotgun powder.
I'm not saying TB is a bad powder, it isn't, it just isn't as universally awesome as some people tout it to be. I have some pretty great loads using TB in some rifle cartridges. My Martini-Enfield in .303B just loves light loads with TB and cast bullets. As does my Swede rolling block in 8x58RD.
Yes, Sir, and they are especially good in the 30-30.
16 gr of 4198 with the 170s is very accurate, and we have had wonderful performance using the old 215 gr 311284 Lyman ahead of 3031.
Ted
Agree, it's best in revolvers, so-so in pistols. Rifles can be hit and miss. The ease of working up loads is a plus if some ones just jumping in to light loads. Lee's latest manual has a whole chapter on this subject and is a good read. It shows how to calculate down with any powder.
