Magazine blocks to make 17 round magazines legal. Will these work in Canada?
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If you permanently affix the block to the floor plate then yes, but that means your magazine is now a sealed unit and you cannot replace springs or followers. You need to limit the magazine body from accepting more than 10 rounds which is why you would have to permanently affix the floor plate.
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I don't think the rules actually allow any alteration of magazines. but I am also sure that as long as somebody can only put ten rounds in a mag that nobody would question how you did it??
Well I have an M&P 22. They come with 12 round mags that have a pin screwed to the bottom of the mag plate and it doesnt allow the moving top plate to drop low enough to put ten rounds in it. I thought this would work the same. Guess they need to be pinned. Ill need to find someone to pin mags.
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
i believe the key phrase is highlighted in Bold so if you installed that block and say pop rivited or epoxied on the floor plate it would be good to go
i believe the key phrase is highlighted in Bold so if you installed that block and say pop rivited or epoxied on the floor plate it would be good to go
Not by itself
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes
(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
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I hope you're not confessing to being in possession of a prohibited device on an open forum.
Your to funny. These were done by the factory for the Canadian market, I'm quite sure s&w did it properly. But.bthank you very much for making an issue out of it.
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Hmpfffff. All the mags I see usually have rivets in them. Can't ya just drill 'em and pin 'em?
I wouldn't worry about it too much, the cops that use my range aren't bung holes - they would just warn you to get them fixed if the subject came up at all. I've never seen a mag check at my club but we don't do any of that IPSC or run-n-gun stuff either. As long as you are making an effort to comply with the rules we are pretty mature about it at my club...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, the cops that use my range aren't bung holes - they would just warn you to get them fixed if the subject came up at all. I've never seen a mag check at my club but we don't do any of that IPSC or run-n-gun stuff either. As long as you are making an effort to comply with the rules we are pretty mature about it at my club...
Your to funny. These were done by the factory for the Canadian market, I'm quite sure s&w did it properly. But.bthank you very much for making an issue out of it.
S&W make a 10round magazine for the 22, it wouldn't make sense to pin when they can just supply it are you sure it wasnt pinned by the importer?
...but, a cop who stops me at the range to school me (and warn me) on regs, kinda is the text book definition of a bung hole!?
I'd tell him to Fu<k off and mind his own business. 
Maybe you should read that again.
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...but, a cop who stops me at the range to school me (and warn me) on regs, kinda is the text book definition of a bung hole!?
Well ... yeah. That's pretty much what happens at my range. We like them, they like us and as long as nobody is doing anything stupid we all get along. In the real world a 17 shot clip isn't going to give you any real tactical advantage as the vast majority of gun fights are over after the first shot or two.
I blame Hollywood for this idiocy that has Bruce Willis melting down his Glock in pitched gun battle after pitched gun battle. I learned the same thing about swordsmanship back when I dabbled in fencing - I used to think that would be a drawn out process too but historically most duels were over in seconds with one or both combatants bleeding themselves out. I wish we could get away from idiotic gun laws and back to punishing criminals.
Agreed on your last point, and you're wise to be weary of the police...they are never "off" duty and are an animal all to their own. Although I never dabbled in fencing, I did a lay persons study of sword fighting (dueling) with German blades that were wielded in the 16th-17th century. As you say, most were over in moments and most weren't immediately fatal. (lot's of reports of tendons being severed/damaged to crippling effect.)
Maybe just maybe the LEOs are never off duty because if they know people are doing something illegal orin possesion of a prohibited device and don't say anything, if and when some people actually get stopped and it appears to go badly .. the guy getting caught has no issues throwing the off duty LEO minding his own business uder the bus with somethinmg like " well Constable X seen them he didn't think is was a big deal why are you making a big deal" next guy goes back the office and poor LEO who was monding his business just being one of the boys gets investigated for deriliction of duty. But I guess joe trucker or bob the builder doesn't have to worry about that.
Pin them yourself. It's really easy. I've replaced the rivets on a few of my magazines with longer or shorter ones if they weren't stopping the follower correctly or if they were interfering with the spring.
Depending on the magazine design either remove the floorplate and spring, hold it upside down with 10 rounds in it and measure where the lowest part of the follower sits and then drill it a little more than half a bullet diameter below that to allow for 10.5 so you can insert it on a closed action and then put in a rivet. Or, if they are like Glock mags with the numbered holes down the back then it's usually just a matter of enlarging the hole of the #13 indicator (pretty sure it was 13, I've done 9mm and 45ACP mags so I'm running off memory here) and then putting a small rivet in, if the rivet head drags on the magwell and doesn't drop free anymore then file the head a little at a time until it inserts and drops smoothly. If you take off too much the rivet will fall out though so go slow and do just enough for smooth function.
Nothing illegal about it and it's as permanent as the one you bought that the importer had done then jacked up the price by $5 per magazine for their $0.05 rivet and time.
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...ya, ok. That or the cop is an authoritarian a$$hole who needs some context as to where he fits in our society (they work for us, and must be respectful of our rights and abide by them which include a freedom from unlawful search and seizure.)
Having said that, most of the cops I've had interaction with are fine (they understand the context), but the guy One Lung was referring to is a Richard that needs to have public complaints logged against him with regularity. Friendly information is one thing, threatening a guy on a gun range and thinking for one second that it's appropriate because "I'm a Cop...it's my job" is quite another. (goof's ears would be ringing for a month if he tried it at our range...{from the tongue lashing})
Color me confused...an officer whose job is to enforce the law, who is off the clock, witnesses a crime(Unpinned magazines) and presumably you are saying it is inappropriate for them to threaten(enforce the law?) them?
Am I reading that correctly?
No, you're not reading that correctly at all. One Lung was responding to a situation where the factory capacity setting of a mag failed stating that the cops at his range "aren't bung holes" they would just tell you to fix it and warn you of the ramifications of possessing a prohibited device. (I'm paraphrasing).
My point is that if while at a range and a rivet fails and an off duty cop in the next lane decides to make a comment about it (as was suggested) he is a "bung hole". He can either fu<k off and mind his own business (assuming I will fix the failed mag) or arrest me right there on the spot! You want to be a hero (the cop), let's have him explain it in court! No problem.
Your incorrect interpretation is that I was suggesting this hypothetical off duty cop is in the next lane to a guy who's firing 17 consecutive rounds out of his Glock 17 (as example), or 30 from his AR should remain silent...again, no. I was not suggesting that.
...heaven forbid my sks' firing pin sticks and burns off all five in a slam fire episode...Officer Bung Hole would have a field day charging me with a Full Auto prohib right!? Wrong, a defense lawyer would have a field day with Officer Bung Hole, then the department.
My point is that if while at a range and a rivet fails and an off duty cop in the next lane decides to make a comment about it (as was suggested) he is a "bung hole". He can either fu<k off and mind his own business (assuming I will fix the failed mag) or arrest me right there on the spot! You want to be a hero (the cop), let's have him explain it in court! No problem.
Your incorrect interpretation is that I was suggesting this hypothetical off duty cop is in the next lane to a guy who's firing 17 consecutive rounds out of his Glock 17 (as example), or 30 from his AR should remain silent...again, no. I was not suggesting that.
...heaven forbid my sks' firing pin sticks and burns off all five in a slam fire episode...Officer Bung Hole would have a field day charging me with a Full Auto prohib right!? Wrong, a defense lawyer would have a field day with Officer Bung Hole, then the department.
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Show me a victim and I will show you a crime. Does busting a guy's balls over an unpinned magazine sound like it is in the best interest of the public? Should we as the public waste money to prosecute a citizen for something as mundane as a magazine that holds more rounds than some piece of paper says it is supposed to? This ranks up there with prosecuting people for jay walking or cursing in public...
I know quite a few LEO's and the number of times they turn a blind eye to trivial "law breaking" would probably keep you up at night. Pick your battles and apply some logic.. The officers that would do so are as plinker 777 said "the cop is an authoritarian a$$hole who needs some context as to where he fits in our society "
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