I now your knot...
Is there any 416 Barett shooters here?
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I now your knot...
all uberobtanium match components....shop around, watch the EE, go to gun shows and BUY IN BULK when the deals come. Don't buy when at a 70 cent dollar unless you have too, par dollar was not long ago and could be back soon...bullets and brass are not regulated so you can buy any amount you want and store it afaik. They don't go bad.
Did you actually add your prices up Jerry? based on multiple loadings your not far off from my prices except it looks like you are using new brass.
Those prices are on the high end of what I pay and no I will not part with any of my components although if you guys are paying the kind of prices listed here it is tempting lol.
none of us are basing our prices of multiple loading's and taking into account the full price of brass. You can not guarantee how long the brass will last so this makes it easier to compare cost
without knowing the grade of components and brass you are using, it is also hard to compare
~with quality brass and annealing you CAN guarantee how long they last. never had one not make it to 10 loadings. I use all legally obtained components and all match quality, lapua, hodgdon, sierra, berger etc.
for a true comparison brass life has to be accounted for...your brass is a consumable at some point but depending on how long you stretch that out it drastically changes your costs.
I used 10 just to keep it a round reasonable number, Ive got cases well beyond that and many once fired waiting in storage..
for a true comparison brass life has to be accounted for...your brass is a consumable at some point but depending on how long you stretch that out it drastically changes your costs.
I used 10 just to keep it a round reasonable number, Ive got cases well beyond that and many once fired waiting in storage..
backdoorsally
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You can't make accurate ammo with IVI Match?
Which is it?
hard to believe or not apples to apples?
Calculate your costs based on a reasonable amount of reloads you will get on a lot of brass. Use 500 pieces as I did for comparison sakes. Interesting to see an apples to apple comparison with brass life accounted for. Ive not owned .50 or .416 so have no opinion on brass life or component costs but do want a 50 some day
backdoorsally
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- South East Alberta
Guarantee I can, if it was brand new to me and not once fired.
I have bought once fired IVI brass that I thought was great to later find out that it was fired from a machine gun with loose tolerances and all the brass was stretched so badly that I had full and partial head separations after two firings
You can't use once fired brass in a fair price comparison of quality ammo.
You don't know what has happened to that brass or how it has been treated. Maybe the guy lied to you and it was already five times fired, maybe the guy tried annealing and over annealed it all so he sold it.
backdoorsally
CGN Regular
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- South East Alberta
I understand that you are saying and if I was doing my own calculations I would probably also use 10 reloads as a fair number.
But everyone is different and not everyone annuals, some people load to the max or past and have stretched out primer pockets after three firings and so on and so fourth.
To be fair I don't think you can account for multiple firings
Also you can't base your prices on once fired brass you have to use new brass like everyone else. You don't know for certain what your getting when u buy once fired. Yeah u have a lot of it and have used it multiple firings and so on. You have a good feel for it but still not apples to apples
you can not guarantee brass life, so why not just use the actual cost of the bass in one loading like everyone else to make a fair comparison?
Would still need to know the quality of the components you quoted in your cost as it makes a big difference.
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I agree 100% about the animal....
That comment was not directed at you....
How far out are you confident Brian??
That comment was not directed at you....
How far out are you confident Brian??
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- Jameson, SK
Question:
Since when does good quality once fired brass mean you're just plinking??
Since when does good quality once fired brass mean you're just plinking??
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- Jameson, SK
Dare I ask:
What are your opinions of the .338 snipe-tac?? In my head that's my next step - in a couple years.
What are your opinions of the .338 snipe-tac?? In my head that's my next step - in a couple years.
The places I hunt, I have done so for years, flagged them, practiced in them in all different types of weather, etc. The amount of preparation has been huge and lengthy.
I am confident in what I have practiced all these years, posting ranges usually doesn't go over too well, you can already see my ethics are being questioned when I post about using a 50 BMG for hunting in the comments on no meat being left.
I went from a 338 Lapua to the 50 and would not change a thing if I did it again. What do you have available for factory rifles in that caliber and look at barrel life.
Ask yourself, what is the real world improvement if you are using it for something other than paper and gongs?
backdoorsally
CGN Regular
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- South East Alberta
Like previously stated multiple times by multiple people, you can't guarantee brass life and you can't guarantee the once fired brass you got from someone else is any good.
Also u will notice I stated I also have bought and used once fired brass. Some of it great some of it horrible. If you don't know what you have for sure then that's you plinking ammo not your hunting ammo.
Once again I think you missed the point though. Call it plinking ammo, lesser quality ammo, what ever you like. The point was you can't use once fired brass when doing a cost comparison of quality ammunition.
I have one it's an awesome round but not cheap to get into, brass is harder to come by than the 50 and costs quite a bit more too. $6.25 a brass is the best I've gotten it for. You have to take into consideration of the barrel life too. The snipetac you might get a 1000 rounds out of the barrel before its time to set it back or rebarrel. Lead is easy to come by and it uses a standard mag rifle primer and somewhere in between 127gr to 142 ish grains of powder, so that adds up quick too. For me it's not the cost but how it makes feel! Lol
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I got no bone in this fight - I offer it all. The numbers quoted are what I would charge today. Whether that costs changes tomorrow, next week, next year... who knows.
Using numbers based on a great deal or historical data or something that cannot be repeated today, distorts what things cost and isn't fair.
So some poor recently unemployed guy has to dump his Timberwolf, S&B scope, all his reloading stuff and tools for $2000... is that the new costs for owning this stuff? Of course not.
I could say that the 50BMG's primers are $50/1000 cause that is what I paid years ago. Does it matter today? No so I don't bother using that number.
There was a time, we could buy 1F LC 50BMG brass from the US for 50cents each delivered... so what, that is unobtanium and irrelevant to the discussion today.
Using costs based on our dollar at par is also incorrect... you cannot get that exchange rate today. As I said, I paid 25cents per liter for gas way back when. Can I use that value today to calculate my driving costs now?
So, compare costs on current market levels for NEW, off the shelf stuff.... and the numbers will show the 338LM much less money to operate then the 50BMG. But the 50BMG is actually less money then some boutique big cals.
If you want a 50BMG, you want a BMG and it costs what it costs. Cheap it is not....
WRT to brass life, as others have said, of little value cause you cannot ensure that EVERY situation will lead to the same number of firings. It can be argued that using SAAMI specs, the expected number of useable firings are.....
BUT, not everyone loads with the same tools or fires in the same rifle or has the same level of maintenance so that number distorts reality. Thus not consistent.
Why not say that I can load my 338LM brass 450 times .... and I reuse my fired bullets... so my running costs is around 10cents plus powder....possible, of course... realistic????
An apples to orange debate. Calculate the cost per bang using new components as I have listed... the cost differences are obvious.
YMMV.
Jerry
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Ok, for once I'm not lipping you off, but what could they have done to a factory loaded piece of brass to f it up that much? I understand that putting it through a semi auto can stretch it out, but if it was put through a bolt, and then you clean, anneal, FL resize, etc etc, what else can be bad?? If it's squished, OK. Or if they lie, OK.
Teach me.
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