2007 Norinco M305 - Yay or Nay

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I'm considering buying a 2007 Norinco M305. can anyone give me some feedback on if these rifles are any good. Any stories and experiences would be much appreciated. I took a quick look around and didn't find any similar threads, so I apologize if this has been discussed in the past.

Thanks!
 
Thanks for the info. How much money of after market parts would you need to put into it in order to get a badass rig?

And what are the parts you definitely need to replace?
 
Thanks for the info. How much money of after market parts would you need to put into it in order to get a badass rig?

And what are the parts you definitely need to replace?

If you pull the trigger and the gun goes bang by definition you don't need to replace anything after that everything is a want.

Read the stickys shoot the gun then decide what you want to spend your cash on. (I said oprod guide as its a cheap and easy upgrade)

I would also highly recommend attending a Tactical Teacher clinic at some point, he will also be able to assist you deciding what to purchase.
 
NAy had nothing but bad goes with norinco m305's... a lot of bad goes.

Buy a real one, buy once cry once... and no need to keep pumping in hundreds if not thousands of dollars into USGI/ new parts.... real deals come with them already.
 
I was waiting for your post...

lol... I haven't vented on how much I hate norinco M305's lately.

I just broke the bad news to a coworker that the reason his new M305 jams is because the oprod is crooked. It fails a tilt test, even with the oprod guide loosy goosy. when the guide is in place solid like it supposed to be, the gun will not cycle at all. Also the gas piston is out of spec and can tilt sideways and jam. He wasn't happy when I told him its likely going to cost him as much as what he paid for the gun to fix it...

this is just another in a long line of failures to further cement my hatred for them.
 
NAy had nothing but bad goes with norinco m305's... a lot of bad goes.

Buy a real one, buy once cry once... and no need to keep pumping in hundreds if not thousands of dollars into USGI/ new parts.... real deals come with them already.

^ this is the best advice yet. No point in buying a $500 m305 and dumping 1500 into it buy a $2000 sprung field and put 500 into it
 
lol... I haven't vented on how much I hate norinco M305's lately.

I just broke the bad news to a coworker that the reason his new M305 jams is because the oprod is crooked. It fails a tilt test, even with the oprod guide loosy goosy. when the guide is in place solid like it supposed to be, the gun will not cycle at all. Also the gas piston is out of spec and can tilt sideways and jam. He wasn't happy when I told him its likely going to cost him as much as what he paid for the gun to fix it...

this is just another in a long line of failures to further cement my hatred for them.

Sounds like hes got a goo parts kits there.
 
It's pretty simple to straighten a tweaked oprod... Free if yer smart enough to put 2 paralell bars on it and bend it straight. Dead simple in fact.
If you told your coworker that it will cost as much as his rifle to fix well you sir shouldn't be giving free advice to anyone about these rifles.
Rather have a 500 rifle I can simply tweak and make better than an overpriced $2000+ lemon from sproingfield.

The REALITY is, hundreds of cgn'ers enjoy the norinco rifles just fine, most with nothing but the simplest of upgrades.
Too bad every m305 you touch is a lemon, my experience (and I actually have it) has been vastly different.

As for yay or nay to a 2007 ... I prefer them over everything imported since then.
 
It's pretty simple to straighten a tweaked oprod... Free if yer smart enough to put 2 paralell bars on it and bend it straight. Dead simple in fact.
If you told your coworker that it will cost as much as his rifle to fix well you sir shouldn't be giving free advice to anyone about these rifles.
Rather have a 500 rifle I can simply tweak and make better than an overpriced $2000+ lemon from sproingfield.

The REALITY is, hundreds of cgn'ers enjoy the norinco rifles just fine, most with nothing but the simplest of upgrades.
Too bad every m305 you touch is a lemon, my experience (and I actually have it) has been vastly different.

As for yay or nay to a 2007 ... I prefer them over everything imported since then.

Op rod is over $200 US now,
If its just the piston its $25
If its the gas tube you need to replace the whole system as USGI gas stuff doesn't fit with the Norc very well... so another $130
And you might have to destroy the flash suppressor to break the spot welds, you might get lucky and they crack off, or they might need a grinder, I've seen them go both ways. $80 US if its buggered.

So he picked it up for $400 on a fire sale (I wonder why), and i'm counting over $400 US in parts realistically

His op rod was so bad I couldn't even get the op rod to move forward more then 1/2 inch past the point it locks into the reciever, I had to fight it to get to lock into the receiver.
You want to bend a 7-10 degree angle out of an op rod? be my guest, forged parts tend not to like being bent, likely you would have to do some grinding as well to fix it so it cleared everything it needed to clear. You want to trust an oprod that's been royally ####ed with, fine; but I don't, and I'm not going to pawn half ass jerry rigged work off to my buddies. I would rather break his heart by telling him to throw it in the safe for now and fix it right, then see him go out and have a catastrophic failure.


A real one isn't a springfield to me... LRB, smith, troy. M1A's built by skilled gunsmiths, proper parts and backed by bullet proof warranties. all with models starting around $2000. but even springfield, if you get a lemon you get a new one... or it gets fixed. You get a nightmare norinco your on your own. That last one had me in over $2200 to get it working right.


As for hundreds enjoying their m305's sure.... because they plink 200 rounds in a couple years, and when the problems arise at that point kinda start saying " well its been good to me for a few years, guns need fixing right?"
How many users never even put that many rounds down range, or that never clue in that the stove piping, jams, ballooned cases are all because of critical failures? All requiring work to be done to the rifle, parts replaced, some worth a few bucks some costing the user thousands to fix.
I can only imagine how many m305's piked up as a "cool fun gun" by someone who knows nothing about the platform; go out to the range once a year to fire a box or two, with a jam every couple of rounds but the user just writes it off as "normal" not realizing their rifle needs to be fixed

for me dropping 150-300 rounds in a day is par.... so when a gun can't even make a day of shooting without an issue, I have a problem with that, And so far I have yet to see a factory m305 make one of my range days without something ####ing up. weather it be, the sites falling apart, the gun start to rattle apart, failure to feed/eject, headspacing move over 15 thousands of an inch in less then 200 rounds....
Meanwhile the LRB's my friends own will drop that many rounds and never have a failure to feed, failure to eject, or catastrophic failure. They just go out, shoot and enjoy.
 
If you pick one up for under $500 including taxes then it is a good gamble. If you are good at trouble shooting and like to tinker then it is a definite yes. If you have to bring it to a gun smith for even the slightest problems than you could easily double the price of the rifle in labour alone. IMO, 1 or 2 problems, the m305 is still worth it even if you have to take it to a gun smith. If there are few problems after that, then you have waisted your money.

Mine cost $400 used and it came with a cheep scope mount, an USGI and Arch Angel stock and a bent op rod, same problem mentioned in a couple of earlier posts. It just bent it back and welded it. Not a big job at all but I am ok with my hands. All I spent on the rifle was $130 which is really the cost of a couple of Lander AIA 10 round magazines. I am more of a bolt action guy but 10 round in a .308 semi as fast as you could pull the trigger... hell yah!
 
Nothing wrong with the 2007. I bought the Chu mystery wood stock and replaced with a USGI Springfield stock. Drops in nice. The front site indexing was off, i replaced the whole front site. Op rod spring guide, is a yes. I had to add a few shims gas system. With that being done, VERY happy, using irons, i can hit 4 out of 5 half litre water bottles on a berm, randomly. If your picky, double the price for the same, and you might have similar rifle with nicely indexed sights, but for me, its a nice plinker for the $700 invested.
 
thanks for all the info everyone. Just one question - seems like the common upgrades are the rod guide and shims under the gas tube, what makes you notice these flaws? does it fail to cycle, jam, not accurate etc?
 
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