Trespassers

I grew up in an area where people hunted on each other's land without let or hindrance, a local tradition if you will. I remember when I was about 14 or so, I met up with a new big city landowner who'd moved in from Montreal and he tore into me like he'd caught me in his bathroom while his wife was having a shower, this is way out in the maple woods with me standing there with a loaded shotgun and him waving his finger in my face. My family had been hunting those woods for 200 years. Never had much use for such people since then, but in Ontario everyone's like that and all you have to do is put up 'no trespassing' signs and call the OPP and have them charged as they show up. And you will have struck another blow against public hunting, Canada will become that much more Europe-like, and your land will be footprint free except for your own.

I see where there's been advice to vandalize the offender's vehicles. I wouldn't.
 
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big bad
so by this line of thinking, you will not be offended if I am making breakfast in your kitchen with my friends one morning, do not worry, people in my family have been breaking into houses for years, kind of a tradition.......
 
Big Bad said:
And you will have struck another blow against public hunting, Canada will become that much more Europe-like, and your land will be footprint free except for your own.
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You seem to be confusing public land with private land. And in some european countries, like Sweden, trespassing laws are pretty much nonexistent. You can't keep people off your private land. They can camp and pick berries/mushrooms whether you like it or not.

But I see that Canada's socialist attitudes still run strong, which is why we're the only first world country with basically no private property rights.
 
darbdarb said:
big bad
so by this line of thinking, you will not be offended if I am making breakfast in your kitchen with my friends one morning, do not worry, people in my family have been breaking into houses for years, kind of a tradition.......
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bearkilr said:
You seem to be confusing public land with private land. And in some european countries, like Sweden, trespassing laws are pretty much nonexistent. You can't keep people off your private land. They can camp and pick berries/mushrooms whether you like it or not.

But I see that Canada's socialist attitudes still run strong, which is why we're the only first world country with basically no private property rights.
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Please see what I wrote lads.
 
darbdarb said:
big bad
so by this line of thinking, you will not be offended if I am making breakfast in your kitchen with my friends one morning, do not worry, people in my family have been breaking into houses for years, kind of a tradition.......
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cool! I'd love to join you and your friends on these breakfast outings. I hope there is usually lots of bacon on hand!

EDIT: I never thought to ask earlier, but do you guys do dinners and suppers, too? I haven't had a moose steak since back in the late 80's. I'd sure like to be there when moose steak is being served.
 
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Big Bad said:
I grew up in an area where people hunted on each other's land without let or hindrance, a local tradition if you will. I remember when I was about 14 or so, I met up with a new big city landowner who'd moved in from Montreal and he tore into me like he'd caught me in his bathroom while his wife was having a shower, this is way out in the maple woods with me standing there with a loaded shotgun and him waving his finger in my face. My family had been hunting those woods for 200 years. Never had much use for such people since then, but in Ontario everyone's like that and all you have to do is put up 'no trespassing' signs and call the OPP and have them charged as they show up. And you will have struck another blow against public hunting, Canada will become that much more Europe-like, and your land will be footprint free except for your own.

I see where there's been advice to vandalize the offender's vehicles. I wouldn't.
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And the issue there is there are a lot of hunters that will abuse and destroy other peoples land because it isnt their own.

My parents used to let others hunt our property until we started finding beer bottles pop cans general garbage left behind. The last straw was the rifle blast visible through our back door after dark. After that no tresspassing signes went up just like the signs on these peoples properties boardering ours.
 
What percent of land in Canada is crown land? I am betting it's just a wee bit more than anywhere in Europe lol. Comparing Canada to Europe in that sense, makes no sense.

Just because one lives in the middle of smogtropoliis doesn't give that same person the right to trespass on another's property. Property is property, wether it be land, or ones underwear. There is billions of acres, even in Ontario, of crown land to hunt and play on, no need to disturb anyone else, or their property.

Bigbad, since you think whoever was there first has the right to access or hunt on your private land, you wouldn't have an issue with First Nations setting up camp on your lawn and hunting whatever they please would you? They were definitely there hundreds/thousands of years before your 200 years.
 
Big Bad, you are saying that your family hunted areas for 200 years, so you somehow think you should have the rights to continue hunting those properties even though your family didn't buy the properties when they came up for sale? I'm confused by your entitlement. Same as this guy I started the thread about, hunted there before, but didn't buy the property, but somehow thinks he still has the right to be there, when in reality he didn't have the right to be there with the previous owner.

There is plenty of public land around to hunt. If you want to hunt private property, ask politely, if the answer is no, then the answer is no. You don't own it, so you have no say.
 
It would be a major disappointment to hunt a land for many years in a row put in the work , letting animals live till they get bigger, maybe it was public at some point and you never bothered to check if it was ever purchased somehow. If the new owner doesn't put up a couple signs then how would you know ?
All in all it is up to the hunter to know where he/she is walking. I understand how it could be a huge let down
 
I own a small chunk of land....i don't get there as often as i should
...the property has no hunting /no trespassing signs all around the perimeter. ..but still i have gone to see it and had to put up with hunters...both in and out of season.....people cutting down my century old sugar maples for firewood. .....and one guy with a front end loader mining travel out of my hill


Signs do nothing......i am VERY tempted to take matters into my own hands as the local police don't care
 
G261973 said:
I own a small chunk of land....i don't get there as often as i should
...the property has no hunting /no trespassing signs all around the perimeter. ..but still i have gone to see it and had to put up with hunters...both in and out of season.....people cutting down my century old sugar maples for firewood. .....and one guy with a front end loader mining travel out of my hill


Signs do nothing......i am VERY tempted to take matters into my own hands as the local police don't care
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sometimes that's the only way to git-r-dun! Backwoods justice! I love it! There is so much you can do;)
 
We used to flip harrows upside down in the grass, have caught several guys with 2-4 flats stuck on them. One even called local LEO's on me, didn't end well for him lol. Tow truck expense, 3 tires and two rims, and a fine for trespassing. He didn't come back as far as I know.
 
Lol @ two-dogs. You aren't that far from me really, maybe my next trip to the peg I'll stop in with moose vittles? I'll even bring the home made sauce!!
 
Some trespassers are quite ballsy. A couple years ago while deer hunting on property that I own, I came across two hunters who had the nerve to try and kick me off of my property. I left without saying much and quickly headed for my yard. As soon as I got home I told the wife to call the cops and I jumped in the tow truck (I run a salvage yard) and roared over to where the two hunters had parked their truck (inside a gate on my property) and hooked it up and headed home.
The police stopped by a little later and I explained what had taken place and they informed me that the truck I towed had just been reported stolen. The police then spoke to the hunters about where they where hunting and told them where to pick up their truck. When they showed up to get the truck, I think they almost chit there pants when they saw me and where quite apologetic and paid the tow bill and no other charges where pressed. Never saw them again!!!!
 
1963beretta said:
Thats funny. The CO said that a landowner cannot prohibit an accompanied hunter's entry. Now that I think about it, he didnt specify accompanied by who...the land owner, a CO, law enforcement or any of the above. One would think that a CO could certainly not be restricted. They can do whatever they feel necessary without a need for a court order to do so. He also did mention the fact that it is against the law to interfere with a legal hunt....and game recovery is part of a legal hunt. Food for thought i guess
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There is MUCH to be said in favor of researching one's own Provincial regulations and being very aware of both your rights and responsibilities as the land owner.

Being able to quote chapter and verse back at folks like that CO, is worth the time and effort. Being able to clearly state why the hunt was not a lawful one, for example, if it wasn't. Lawfully, you the hunter, are expected to pick a place to hunt, where you do not have to expect to trespass in order to retrieve your game, yeah? I recall reading statements to that effect in most of the recent sets of hunting regs. Not in the Ontario ones too?

While cutting tires or valve stems may seem the thing to do, if the vehicle is parked on your property, consider that you can simply call a tow truck and have it hauled away instead. Worth checking on.

Electric fences are not very subtle, and don't seem to bother the wildlife much. Having a fence of any sort that they have to crawl through to get on to your property, really takes away the "Oh I didn't know" option when the excuses start.

And you never really run out of places to store old farm equipment or large rocks, when you own property either. Just saying. A No Entry sign at the edge of the property may not stop anyone driving in, but a bloody big rock in the long grass likely will.

But start with signs, and be sure to follow up with calls for enforcement to the relevant authorities when folks ignore them. Do some looking in to stuff like whether you are legally allowed to shoot on the road allowances, or if they are not supposed to be used for other than traveling upon. The different provinces have very different rules. Know yours.

No use in doing anything if you are not willing to follow through with enforcement. Even the stupid ones get tired of paying fines, no matter how small they are. Be creative, but keep it legal.

Know the Laws, don't do any foolish illegal things, make sure that the local Law Enforcement is working FOR you not against you.

Cheers
Trev
 
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