Scared myself tonight.... primer story
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I am too anal about brass prep, including running a pocket uniforming tool every time, and seating primers with a hand tool. Have never had this happen yet, but long ago when priming on a press I have had primers crushed sideways in the pocket. Haven't used anything but the hand tool since then.
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I have had the same thing happen that William suggests only with corn cob media. Happens quite often and that is the reason I don't resize/de-prime my cases before tumbling at any time.
I haven't tried to prime any with a cob particle in the flash hole that I know of but in the OP's case, I can visualize a particle stuck between the primer and flash hole acting as a firing pin in reverse, when the primer was driven forward by the hammer action the crumb pushed the anvil into the priming compound causing the same igniting action as a firing pin from the other side.
With the case being loaded and the primer protruding like you described the kinetic remover was your only option unless you just bite the bullet and discard the whole round...I know it hurts but was prolly your safest option.
Funny your were able to remove the case from the shell holder when you primed the case...Chances are the primer pocket was stretched and the primer backed out later on after you had seated a bullet.
Funny your were able to remove the case from the shell holder when you primed the case...Chances are the primer pocket was stretched and the primer backed out later on after you had seated a bullet.
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^^^ This must be what happened and the media actually had the flash hole plugged. Because the odds of firing a primer on a loaded cartridge and having it not go off is pretty low.
Tens of millions of rounds have been pulled by kinetic pullers without any kind of incident. One freak occurrence and you are now running scared?
With a live round, hearing and eye protection are gonna be the least of his worries if the round ignites wile trying to seat the primer deeper. NOT a good idea IMO,
Because there is nothing inherently unsafe about a kinetic bullet puller. Millions of rounds have been pulled by that method completely safely. This was a freak occurrence.
Its harder than you think, to nearly impossible if the round is crimped. It almost always ends in a spray of powder across the room and it tends to bend the case neck and/or scratch the case body or base. You might as well just chuck the entire thing away as that is simpler and easier.
Very strange happenings going on here.
The kinetic bullet puller was designed and has been used for at least seventy years, to safely pound the bullets out of loaded rounds. Of the great many millions of bullets so pulled out, has anyone ever heard of a primer firing off from this procedure?
But in this one case, the primer fired!
I once was trimming cases with the Lee trimming tool in a drill press, to trim the neck. In this one case I pushed on the drill press handle, but no brass was trimmed, so I pushed harder on the handle and when nothing happened I took the case out and discovered a primed case had gone in with my primerless empties to be trimmed and the centre guide rod had pushed so hard on the live primer that it left a perfect little circle on the face of the primer, but the primer never fired!
The kinetic bullet puller was designed and has been used for at least seventy years, to safely pound the bullets out of loaded rounds. Of the great many millions of bullets so pulled out, has anyone ever heard of a primer firing off from this procedure?
But in this one case, the primer fired!
I once was trimming cases with the Lee trimming tool in a drill press, to trim the neck. In this one case I pushed on the drill press handle, but no brass was trimmed, so I pushed harder on the handle and when nothing happened I took the case out and discovered a primed case had gone in with my primerless empties to be trimmed and the centre guide rod had pushed so hard on the live primer that it left a perfect little circle on the face of the primer, but the primer never fired!
Luv the Forster co-ax press that seats primer 4-6/1000" of an inch; pressing harder will damage the flange in the bottom.
No shell holder to block protruding primers so can use bullet puller (for RCBS have to mod to prevent puller from spinning and change handles).
Always check every primer by a quick flick of finger over bottom when primed case is remove from press.
Never try to seat a primer on a loaded case, no need to take stupid risk.
No shell holder to block protruding primers so can use bullet puller (for RCBS have to mod to prevent puller from spinning and change handles).
Always check every primer by a quick flick of finger over bottom when primed case is remove from press.
Never try to seat a primer on a loaded case, no need to take stupid risk.
1. the sticking out primer should never passed your quality control before doing powder charge. on a single stage, I would at least do one last inspection before putting powder in them. on turret or progressive, this would be easier to catch as you will feel the difference when turning it from one station to another. I actually checks the primer seating even I felt very slightly anything unusal. It slows down my process, but I am ok. safety is always the first.
2. as for the bullet puller. Oh, my god! indeed. I would do exactly the same thing as you did. hammer it like no tomorrow. I guess I have to watch out down the road. luckily, I have been very careful so far and always load pretty slowly(only 200-250RD/Hr on my Dillon 550B). So I don't have to go through this.
2. as for the bullet puller. Oh, my god! indeed. I would do exactly the same thing as you did. hammer it like no tomorrow. I guess I have to watch out down the road. luckily, I have been very careful so far and always load pretty slowly(only 200-250RD/Hr on my Dillon 550B). So I don't have to go through this.
Would it not be a good procedure to just isolate the round and fire it with a bolt action rifle at the range, knowing that it could (potentially) go off when you closed the bolt (seating the primer)? Forgive the neubie question.
If the primer is protruding on a live loaded round.
Try to fire it or chamber this round in your rifle can cause the bolt to crush or seat the primer in further.
So while trying to chamber this round it could actually fire off while the bolt is not fully closed or locked in.
The bolt will try to reverse itself.
Maybe a broken wrist or worse.
I dunno.??
Try to fire it or chamber this round in your rifle can cause the bolt to crush or seat the primer in further.
So while trying to chamber this round it could actually fire off while the bolt is not fully closed or locked in.
The bolt will try to reverse itself.
Maybe a broken wrist or worse.
I dunno.??
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- Saskatchewan
I too do not believe it would be a good idea to use a rifle to seat the primer further while chambering the round. I would have used an inertia or collet type puller. Freak accident with no logical explanation IMHO.
Keeping an eye on this thread, and after some thought, I agree it was one of those rare 1-1,000,000 things that we will never know exactly why it happened. I wouldn't let it scare us off, just make us aware of what can happen if and when we miss a small detail at the wrong time.
I have a number of Federal primers go off while being crushed. But never with any other brand.
I would not use this ammo in a rifle. Closing bolt might fire before lock up.
Put ammo in press and remove the die. Use sidecutter to bite bullet and pull.
I would not use this ammo in a rifle. Closing bolt might fire before lock up.
Put ammo in press and remove the die. Use sidecutter to bite bullet and pull.
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The Forster hand primer works well also ...
Virtually impossible. Primers are specifically designed to ignite under a hard sharp impact and not ignite from a firm push.
