1949 Russian SKS...refurb/no refurb?

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My apologies if I didn't post the link to the pics properly...

http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/Eggsandbacontoast/media/IMG_0578_zpslyigzmr2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

I just picked this up today, so I haven't completely disassembled it yet, but from what I can see, it has all the original 1949 parts
-No obvious refurb marks or stamps - all serial numbers match and are stamped.
-spike bayonet - no lightning cut on bayo lug.
-original top cover latch pin
-gas block is 90*
-1949 production receiver
-stock has some wear/tear around the receiver and a small scuff on the gas block handguard, but in good shape otherwise.
-The first pick compares a 1950 sks barrel to the 1949 (no chrome). I've compared the 49 to my other SKS's and although they look similar, the finish on the 49's barrel and gas block/bayo etc just look different from the others....original bluing?

With the '49, my SKS collection is now complete :)
 
I got it from Tim @ SKS Parts Canada in B.C. It certainly cost a lot more than any other SKS I've owned, but I needed a '49 to complete my collection, and in the years I've been buying Milsurps, the prices ain't getting any lower.

Tim was great to deal with. I had a lengthy chat with him over the phone, and he was more than happy to send me a few extra emails with pics I requested to make sure I was comfortable with the purchase. (this was the only SKS I ever bought without seeing it in person, so it was nice to have the added reassurance in the seller and rifle itself). Shipping only took a few days. I'd certainly recommend for anyone looking for SKS rifles, or individual parts. Cheers.
 
I will wait for experts, but bayo does look like 3-ribbed and cover font looks not matching.. WHat about trigger guard and mag serial pictures?
 
ya, its a 3 spike bayo - fill me in on that part if someone wouldn't mind. I'm not familiar with the various bayonets and what the number of ribs would indicate from the standpoint of a production yr.
 
Is SKS Parts Canada a business name. I can`t find it. Is there a website or at least an email or phone number.
IPSC-Guy said:
I got it from Tim @ SKS Parts Canada in B.C. It certainly cost a lot more than any other SKS I've owned, but I needed a '49 to complete my collection, and in the years I've been buying Milsurps, the prices ain't getting any lower.

Tim was great to deal with. I had a lengthy chat with him over the phone, and he was more than happy to send me a few extra emails with pics I requested to make sure I was comfortable with the purchase. (this was the only SKS I ever bought without seeing it in person, so it was nice to have the added reassurance in the seller and rifle itself). Shipping only took a few days. I'd certainly recommend for anyone looking for SKS rifles, or individual parts. Cheers.
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Not wanting to break any rules about referencing non cgn sponsor sites, but yes, skspartscanada is the company name and you can find the site by adding one of those little .com fellas. I originally saw a 780 area code, which threw me as they said they were located in Duncan BC, but emailing Tim, he gave me his new 250 area code. I think he's a relatively new set up, or recently relocated.
 
IPSC-Guy said:
My apologies if I didn't post the link to the pics properly...

http://s1341.photobucket.com/user/Eggsandbacontoast/media/IMG_0578_zpslyigzmr2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

I just picked this up today, so I haven't completely disassembled it yet, but from what I can see, it has all the original 1949 parts
-No obvious refurb marks or stamps - all serial numbers match and are stamped.
-spike bayonet - no lightning cut on bayo lug.
-original top cover latch pin
-gas block is 90*
-1949 production receiver
-stock has some wear/tear around the receiver and a small scuff on the gas block handguard, but in good shape otherwise.
-The first pick compares a 1950 sks barrel to the 1949 (no chrome). I've compared the 49 to my other SKS's and although they look similar, the finish on the 49's barrel and gas block/bayo etc just look different from the others....original bluing?

With the '49, my SKS collection is now complete :)
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Congratulations on completing your collection! I am way behind you and I am sure that I will have to accept SKS' that are less than perfect in order to complete a Tula SKS collection in a reasonable amount of time for a reasonable amount of money.:wave:
 
I'm no expert by any means, but that is the nicest '49 I've seen pics of, never actually seeing one in person. Refurb or not, nice find! I just discovered said vendor myself, sent a fairly specific parts list and got a very reasonable price. Yet to arrive, but so far very good to deal with.
 
Horilka said:
So Chinese bayo on Soviet SKS doesn't ring any bells?
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Dear OP, I'm sorry to tell you that both the bayonet and the stock are humped aka a forgery. Possibly other components. Cover could be as well. This was done by a somewhat popular Canadian retailer as far as we know, but it is a lot of speculation, as it could have been done overseas. I won't get into gossiping or accusations, I will just say that I'm sorry that you got scammed. I would suggest that you remove the Chinese bayonet and the receiver cover, so someone doesn't get scammed in the future.

PS bluing on a muzzle / crown is a sign of refurbishment.
 
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Hopefully this Tim is a stand-up guy and will take the gun back from a customer who is not satisfied with his purchase upon receipt...

No sale from a legitimate business should ever be Final.

You paid tax, right? It wasn't a private sale of a personal item?
 
So after receiving some feedback on here, and a few pm's, I know I'm dealing with more than just your typical refurb. The Chinese bayo smacks of some funny business, but what else is raising alarms for those of you who know what you're looking for? I don't think I was intentionally scammed by the seller. (I've come across the info on "that particular supplier" who may have put together forged 1949 sks's to meet the demand) but my question is, what all is wrong with this rifle? Most of the external parts do match the features of a 49. I've measured the Tula stamp with digital calipers to that of another yrs production, and they are identical in dimension. (if it's forged, they paid attention to their detail) Is anything on the rifle genuine 49 material?

Like I said, I'm ok with it being a refurb, but I'd appreciate some additional info on what I'm dealing with here. I'm trying to decide if I should be asking for a return/refund, or if I should just keep an eye out for a Soviet bayo, to swap out at some point.

Thanks again for the time, assistance and knowledge.
 
IPSC-Guy said:
So after receiving some feedback on here, and a few pm's, I know I'm dealing with more than just your typical refurb. The Chinese bayo smacks of some funny business, but what else is raising alarms for those of you who know what you're looking for? I don't think I was intentionally scammed by the seller. (I've come across the info on "that particular supplier" who may have put together forged 1949 sks's to meet the demand) but my question is, what all is wrong with this rifle? Most of the external parts do match the features of a 49. I've measured the Tula stamp with digital calipers to that of another yrs production, and they are identical in dimension. (if it's forged, they paid attention to their detail) Is anything on the rifle genuine 49 material?

Like I said, I'm ok with it being a refurb, but I'd appreciate some additional info on what I'm dealing with here. I'm trying to decide if I should be asking for a return/refund, or if I should just keep an eye out for a Soviet bayo, to swap out at some point.

Thanks again for the time, assistance and knowledge.
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It's really hard to say without high definition photos, zoomed in one every component.

It looks like the "1949" stamp on the stock is not original. It doesn't mean that it's not a 1949 stock, with a slim forend, but the stamps were light and often sanded away. The bayonet is not original. The bayonet channel may be a blade channel, that was filled / sanded out, as was common on these fakes. There are others, but again, need much better photos or to see it in person. If you paid a reasonable sum of money for this rifle ($200-$250) then it would make a great sporter project base. If you paid a 1949 price, it's best to get a refund and make sure the seller doesn't try and pawn it off on someone else.
 
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I think your vendor should be talking to their supplier! If this was sold as an original 1949, well that is fraud!
They should be offering you a full refund including shipping if applicable! Then they can deal with their supplier!
Also I don't think any Russian refurb shave ever used Chinese bayo's in the process, so the refurb isn't even original!
 
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Even the Chinese bayo has been modified as no Chinese spike bayos were black. They are all chrome. Also the original 49 cruciform bayo's are longer than the 3 edged Chinese spike bayo.
 
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