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Hi guys.

I am not long range shooter at all. I take my hunting rifles out to 400yrds. But that's about it.
Not really much drop compensating involved.

I am putting together a 22lr for some cheep shooting. I want to knock some steel plates out to 500yrds.
I figure with a rainbow trajectory it will give me good practice and reading wind and distance.

My question is will I need a 20MOA bace to get out to 500yrds without hold over.

The scope being used is 5-15x40 elite tactical. 1"tube

Thanks
 
mark222 said:
Gundata.org says your high/hyper vel .22lr will drop about 370" at 500 yds, and drift about 54" in a 5 mph cross wind.
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so that's about 74 MOA of drop and 11 MOA of drift.... OP, you're going to need a lot more than a 20 MOA base with that 1" tube. How many MOA does your scope have for adjustment?
 
Did a quick search. At 250y, drop is 5 to 8 feet, depending on the load. At 500y, it is going to be waaay more than that.
I very much doubt that a 20moa base, plus internal adjustments will get you there. Using mildots would give more elevation; even then, I don't know if it would work.
I have fired .22 at 200m. About like firing a centerfire at 900. Can't imagine 500.
 
What does this have to do with competitions?

Additionally, are you serious? 22lr at 500?

If you are you should be examining data on your ballistics up to your intended range. ballistic calculators are generally free and easy to find. Input your data and compare your equipment to your round and application.
 
You could set it up on a tripod and fire it like a mortar.:)

Seriously though, firing 22LR at a Silhouette range (or similarly staged targets) will simulate a long range type experience. You will have to figure out the adjustment required on your turrets between 40 and 100 yds for your bullet to hit Point of Aim (i.e. Calculate a ballistic table for your range, environmental conditions (generally, by season) and bullet type). Premium ammunition can be expected to provide reasonably reproducible results, dependent upon your rifle and your technique.

I was a little humbled at how much fun 22LR can be with respect to simulating long range shooting with cheap ammunition and ranges up to 100 yds. I was quite disdainful of 22LR for the longest time.

To fire beyond 100 yds and longer range shooting, consider getting a rifle more suitable and reloading specifically for that rifle.
 
regulate34 said:
Hi guys.

I am not long range shooter at all. I take my hunting rifles out to 400yrds. But that's about it.
Not really much drop compensating involved.

I am putting together a 22lr for some cheep shooting. I want to knock some steel plates out to 500yrds.
I figure with a rainbow trajectory it will give me good practice and reading wind and distance.

My question is will I need a 20MOA bace to get out to 500yrds without hold over.

The scope being used is 5-15x40 elite tactical. 1"tube

Thanks
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FYI, 300m with the match 22LR is pretty close to the same ballistics as common 308 loadings at 1000yds so yes, it makes a very good analog. Done a bunch of this and it works very nicely... in fact, it is easier then 308 at 1000yds in some respects as you will rarely face multiple wind profiles in 300m.

Knock down steel? They would need to be very light. I would just take a pop can, flatten and nail/glue to a similar sized piece of plywood on a small base. That will fall over nicely.

And Yes, with a good rifle, quality ammo, you can hit pop can sized targets with a 22LR at 300m even when it is windy. To scale for 1000yds practise, you would want a 9 to 10" circle but it actually gets pretty easy once you get some practise.

No, you will not have any success with generic HV ammo. You will need to get quality match ammo and then figure out which your barrel likes. I ended up with SK Rifle match.... wonderful stuff at 100 and 200yds but you will get flyers at 300m due to irregularities in the ammo manf... why it is not Olympic grade.

But when you accept that the occasional WTF has nothing to do with you, the core of the group is actually really accurate. Other match ammo will respond differently so you will need to test. Better grades, higher cost, less flyers.

My rifle is actually a Savage MkII FV now restocked... yep, a dirt cheap rifle that shoots superbly.

For optics, sorry but you will have a really hard time with your scope to reach out that far. If you want a 1" scope, the Sightron SIIB 6.5-20 is about min. Better to go with the SIII 6-24 with 100 mins of travel. The LRMOA reticle will be a joy to help with the big changes in windage you will need to make to keep up with the winds.

I never bothered to go beyond 300m as I am not willing to spend the premium to get better ammo... but it can be done.

500yds would be like a 308 at a mile so it will be a big technical challenge.

Jerry
 
Thanks for the responses. That's a lot of info to take in.

I don't want to knock over steel with a 22. Just looking for a sound report back.

I have shot 300yrds with my CZ513. Using turrets and hold over. CCI standard velocity. I used a 10" cast iron pan.
I was making hits 8 out of 10 times.

500yrds might be a dream. But I am going to get a 20moa rail to start.
If I decide to go with a 30mm tube in the future then I guess I will have lots of adjustiblity. Lol.

Hey Mystic. Could you help with a 20moa bace for a savage MK2?
 
I know of a few people who shoot 300 yard .22lr for practicing for 1000 yard black powder target rifle matches. I also know of a few who tried hits on the 500m silhouette rams and were sucessful. I do not know how windy it was at that time. You'd have a heck of a time spotting misses, but the bullet splashes should be somewhat visible with a decent spotting scope if there was no mirage.

Chris.
 
Can help with the rail and Burris Sig ZEE rings to shim the scope some more

Since you already have success at 300yds, why not just aim higher and reach out further.

Get a tall pole or 2X4 6 to 8ft tall and put a bright aiming point on the top. Aim at that and let the bullet fall at the base. Just work out the holdover you need to get the extra distance

Simple way to prove if the trip is viable.

Jerry
 
I guess I'm in for more humble pie! I would never have suspected the 22LR could be reasonably taken out to 300 yds.

One should learn something new everyday and, it appears, I just have!
 
I still get a kick out of the delay and then the report from it hitting the cast pan

I don't know how fast they are going. But on the ground below the pan I found a bunch of 22bullets with a slightly deformed nose.
 
Was at a range one time and a old 20 lb propane tank (full of holes) was setup at 300. Gave er a go with my rem597, tons of fun! In the end when I went up to have a look it was just smears of lead on the paint. Now I want to see just how far I can get it
 
I shoot my Dlask arms/KIDD up to 275-300 yards all the time. Haven't tried 500!! Mine prefers Eley black box ammo, have tried dozens of match quality ammo, but Eley seems to be the ticket, with Wolf coming in second.

Once you figure out your ammo, and drop/wind, it's an absolute blast!! (No pun intended)

I shoot clays, golfballs, potatoes, sometimes radishes!!! It's a great way to pass the time when letting the centre fire cool off between shots or groups.


PS: I built a semi from hand picked components to prove that a rim fire semi can compete with or beat the Anshutz type bolt rifles in long range shooting, although it costs too much. Lol
 
Dynamic1 said:
I guess I'm in for more humble pie! I would never have suspected the 22LR could be reasonably taken out to 300 yds.

One should learn something new everyday and, it appears, I just have!
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It is no different then those who want to shoot a big cal bullet to 2 miles. ELR is just way too much fun and the 22LR is several orders of magnitude cheaper. Worst case you have to buy Eley Tenex or similar for $25 per box of 50 (my stuff was $7/box). Compared to a 338LM or 408 Chey Tac or 50 BMG, this costs peanuts and you can do this pretty much anywhere you can spot impacts... sand, loose dirt or clay.

Farmers field with turned up sod is a zillion giggles waiting to happen.

As far as speed, run the numbers through JBM..... you will be happy to learn that deceleration in subsonic flight is very low. So that bullet is not really a whole lot slower then when it left the barrel.

If you want to have even more dirt cheap silly fun, try launching 45cal heavy cast bullets at LR. When a 550gr slug arrives at 550yds with about 900fps, the impact is VERY impressive.... far more so then a 300WBY pushing 155gr bullets as fast as possible.

Or how about testing those military volley sights on a WWII surplus rifle... YES, they are there for a reason and they work.

Fun, fun, fun...

Jerry

PS, if you have a 22LR handgun, try shooting out to 200yds off hand. After a bit, you will be able to kentucky that bullet onto a target large enough to see with open sights. It is alot easier then you might think
 
I recently got some surplus railroad tie plates for use as long range (300 - 500 yds) targets for my 223. It seems I should mix in 22 for the challenge.

I am becoming increasingly interested in 22 as a practice medium for longer range technique!

I hope the OP is enjoying the input to this thread as much as I am. (And I hope I'm not hijacking it)

Thanks Jerry, for your input!
 
Dynamic1 said:
I recently got some surplus railroad tie plates for use as long range (300 - 500 yds) targets for my 223. It seems I should mix in 22 for the challenge.

I am becoming increasingly interested in 22 as a practice medium for longer range technique!

I hope the OP is enjoying the input to this thread as much as I am. (And I hope I'm not hijacking it)

Thanks Jerry, for your input!
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Not at all. I am just excited to get my rig together and start shooting.
 
Get yourself some Burris Signature Z rings. With the 20 Moa base and the rings, you have a chance. Good luck. I have hit 400 yRds with relative consistency, I'm sure you will be there.
 
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