Burris XTRII 8-40X50 MM OR Nightforce 8-32x56mm

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Hi,

Been googling/reading reviews and post for like 20 hours lol and came down to these two choices.

I'm a newbie in long distance shooting and willing to participate in Factory F-Class competition eventually. I pre-ordered a Ruger Precision Rifle (Not looking for comments on this model). And I feel like I want to invest in a very good scope since rifles will come and go, but the scope will last a "lifetime" hopefully so I want Something very good.

Both have zero stop feature
Both seems to be very good product
Both are supposed to be rugged, water proof, etc
Both are approximately 2000$ from what I've found so far

Nightforce
56MM supposed to be better
30mm tube which make it slimer
Cons
SFP (I've heard it's less desirable)

Burris
Pros:
Lifetime no question asked warranty
FFP (I've heard it's more desirable)
34 mm tube
Slightly better magnification, but 32X is enough for my need anyway.

Does anyone have an opinion on which one they would choose between the two ?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
 
I've never seen any Burris scope on the line at an F-class match.
FFP is pretty much pointless for F-class, you'll spend the vast majority of your time at the high end of your zoom, and in a FFP scope the reticle gets very thick at max magnification. Most shooters also use the target circles for windage holdover, so you don't even need a reticle with hashmarks.
Higher magnification is not the be all and end all, you need top quality glass to make the most of it. I've never examined that particular Burris, but I have owned 4 NF scopes, including a 8-32, and have had no issues with them at all.
I'd go for the NF, 10 times out of 10.

Another possibility is a Sightron, they have a lot of different models to choose from.
 
The Burris will be about $1600.

The 8-40 XTR II was designed specifically for F-Class so reticle will not be too thick?

I haven't heard alot of complaints about this generation of XTR IIs, and now Burris has forever, zero fault, transferable warranty.

Will the glass be better on NF, probably.

I have a XTR II in 5-25, so far zero complaints, thing is built like a tank, would I prefer a S&B II or Tangent Theta?.....absolutely but cannot justify double the cost?

There are not many scopes that offer 95 MOA adjustment, zero stop, ffp, 34mm, illumination at this price point?...
 
Sightron SIII series are great for your needs. You don't have to spend 2 grand.
Jerry Teo of Mystic Precision imports these brands.
For just over a thousand dollars plus tax & shipping, I bought one from him { Sightron SIII 8-32 X 56 LRMOA Scope}a few years back for long range shooting & it has been a blast.

http://www.mysticprecision.com/wp/1208/sightron-siii-8-32-x-56-lrmoa/

A guy known as "Tomochan" here on the Canadian Gun Nutz site (Precision Rifles forum) wrote a very detailed & well researched review titled, "Optics Review for the new precision shooter". I will admit, his article was the one main reason that got me interested in the sightron & ended up getting one.
 
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Alpheus said:
I've never seen any Burris scope on the line at an F-class match.
FFP is pretty much pointless for F-class, you'll spend the vast majority of your time at the high end of your zoom, and in a FFP scope the reticle gets very thick at max magnification. Most shooters also use the target circles for windage holdover, so you don't even need a reticle with hashmarks.
Higher magnification is not the be all and end all, you need top quality glass to make the most of it. I've never examined that particular Burris, but I have owned 4 NF scopes, including a 8-32, and have had no issues with them at all.
I'd go for the NF, 10 times out of 10.

Another possibility is a Sightron, they have a lot of different models to choose from.
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The reticle in a FFP scope stays the same size in relation to the target size when zoomed in. Both the reticle AND the target get bigger when you increase magnification, but the reticle covers the same amount of target no matter what power you're on.
 
tadosan said:
A guy known as "Tomochan" here on the Canadian Gun Nutz site (Precision Rifles forum) wrote a very detailed & well researched review titled, "Optics Review for the new precision shooter".
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Thanks, I've read it and I found this interesting. In case someone else wants to look at it:http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...er-Precision-Shooters?highlight=Optics+Review

Sightron seems like a very very good alternative to Nightforce when on a budget, but the author says Nightforce is better.
 
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Tenguns said:
The reticle in a FFP scope stays the same size in relation to the target size when zoomed in. Both the reticle AND the target get bigger when you increase magnification, but the reticle covers the same amount of target no matter what power you're on.
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At max zoom, a FFP reticle covers more of the target then a SFP reticle. The OP is comparing FFP and SFP after all.
 
Alpheus said:
At max zoom, a FFP reticle covers more of the target then a SFP reticle. The OP is comparing FFP and SFP after all.
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Depends on the reticle. Most people think a FFP somehow becomes this huge, target covering monster when at max zoom. I run both FFP and SFP scopes and have never seen it happen.
 
Tenguns said:
Depends on the reticle. Most people think a FFP somehow becomes this huge, target covering monster when at max zoom. I run both FFP and SFP scopes and have never seen it happen.
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I read a lot on the subject but having never tried a FFP it's still not very clear to me.

From what I've heard, a FFP is better for fast target acquisition (hunting for example) where you need to evaluate distance easily without having to calculate the MOA VS magnification you are at.
For fixed known range length like in F-Class, apparently you have better precision since the reticle is smaller on SFP.

But like I said, never having tried them it's hard to say.

Worst of all, these 2 scopes are special order everywhere I called so I cannot tried them first to have my own opinion :(
 
Tenguns said:
Depends on the reticle. Most people think a FFP somehow becomes this huge, target covering monster when at max zoom. I run both FFP and SFP scopes and have never seen it happen.
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Nope, it depends on the zoom range of the scope. At min magnification, the reticle still has to be big enough to see. The reticle will "grow" less in a 3-15 power scope then in a 8-40 one.

Use the scopes the OP is looking at. The reticle in the 8-32 is calibrated at 22x. For the reticle in the Burris to be the same thickness to the human eye, it would be at what, 30x? Now go to max magnification. The hashmarks on the NF reticle are now less then the 1MOA they were at 22x. The hashmarks in the Burris are still 1MOA in size.
 
I have yet to hear on this fourm that some hated there nite force ..... I could be wrong but the only thing I've heard is some warranty problems on a second hand scope. Honestly I'd just go with nite force very good glass. Or sightron everyone has a boner for them, can't say I've owned either. I want to get a sightron but I have to get a rifle for the spare Scopes I have laying around as it is. What's the scope in mrad or moa ?
 
Ive owned a S3 and Currently have a Nightforce . Glass on both scope is very nice. The finish and on the NF is better.

Will report back on the canted reticle problem once I receive my NF back from Hirsh
 
I have SIII 10-50x60 LRIRMOA and it is an amazing scope for that price. I use it for PR and hunting/target practice.

I chose this over NF due to reticle. I like a floating dot instead of crosshair. The dot helps me where the bullet will hit within the dot size.
 
Take it for what its worth but I was just reading the latest Field and Stream and out of 8 scopes tested The Burris XTR II came in last place, the Nightforce SHV came in 3rd. I've had Burris products fail and when emailin/calling Burris I got absolutely nowhere, these were rings, not optics but still get the picture if a company cares. Id buy the Nightforce if it were me, they are proven to be solid optics and have very good resale value.
 
Remember to watch your weight esp in F TR. I would look at the nightforce competition 15-55x (expensive) or Sightron. I would try to get something at least 40x so you can see the orange plastic plug at 900 yards (it's about three inches in diameter) during competitions. I own a Nightforce Benchrest 12-42x and it's great but heavy, but got it at an amazing price. Starting over I'd look at the NF competition or Sigtron I think.
 
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