375 H&H vs 375 Ruger vs 9,3x62

bigborefan said:
....using a 250 AB at 2714 fps/4088 ft-lbs ........That was one grain less than a maximum load using RL-17, which makes 2760 fps into MOA. The whole outfit, loaded and ready for action with a 3 - 9 X 40mm Elite weighs just 7.5 lbs!
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Surely that must be a mittful to shoot. :bump:

Somewhat akin to firing the pre '64 with the scope removed.
Ted
 
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I have a Nosler 48 Outfitter in 9.3x62, shoots 250gr Accubonds @ 2600 fps with a few powders (22" brl). 60 grains of powder, 30 ft lbs recoil in 8.5lb rifle ~ 3750 ft lbs energy

In my 20" barrel 375 Ruger, I can push 260gr Accubonds to 2700 fps. 78grs of powder, 40 ft lbs recoil (8.5 lb rifle) ~ 4150 ft lbs muzzle energy.

Both very capable cartridges. The H&H is right there ballisticly, but I'd never own one. I also don't drive a Model T ford
 
my 9.3 started life as a Husqvarna featherweight in 270 .
I found a factory barrel in 9.3x62 of the same profile and cut it down to just over 20 inches and recut a improved chamber .
the stock was broken at the wrist and poorly repaired . I carved out the insides of the wrist area and filled it with 3m's panelbond .... that ended up taking some more weight off .

with a old redfield wide field 4x scope the whole thing is under 7 pounds ( I can't remember if I had 5 rounds in the magazine or not when I weighed it ) .

I've shot 30-06's that feel like they have more recoil . I find this rifle very pleasant to shoot .

I was seriously thinking about doing a 375 ruger necked down to 9.3 when I was ordering my reamer .
I decided against it due to the cost and availability of brass , a lot more powder burned and not a lot to be gained in terms of less bullet drop at 400 yards , one less round in the magazine , and a lot more recoil ...... and then I would have to open up the bolt face and feed rails .
when I went with the improved chamber I was trying to get a similar case capacity to the 370 sako ( 9.3x66 ) while still being able to fire factory 9.3x62 and use cheap 30-06 brass .

case capacity ended up about 10% larger than factory , and I'm using 75 grains of h414 ( w760) behind a 250 grain accubond .

a 375 would have been easily , simple and practical , but not overly unique .... but when people ask " what the hell is that , I've never heard of a 9.3x62 " .... I really like the looks of people faces when I say , they use it to kill elephants in Africa ...... most of the time they stop talking about how superior their short magnum is .
 
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todbartell said:
I have a Nosler 48 Outfitter in 9.3x62, shoots 250gr Accubonds @ 2600 fps with a few powders (22" brl). 60 grains of powder, 30 ft lbs recoil in 8.5lb rifle ~ 3750 ft lbs energy

In my 20" barrel 375 Ruger, I can push 260gr Accubonds to 2700 fps. 78grs of powder, 40 ft lbs recoil (8.5 lb rifle) ~ 4150 ft lbs muzzle energy.

Both very capable cartridges. The H&H is right there ballisticly, but I'd never own one. I also don't drive a Model T ford
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You're aware of the fact the 9.3x62 predates the H&H and the Model T Ford?
 
The whole outfit, loaded and ready for action with a 3 - 9 X 40mm Elite weighs just 7.5 lbs!
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Currently have a reciever sight only on mine, it's weighing in at approx 6.7 loaded fully with 250 grain round noses going approx 2600. Could push it hotter with a different powder but why bother? It will wake you up.

I will concede that I have no seen published data with the .338 shooting a 250 at 2700, but none of my manuals or sites have the 9.3 hitting the velocities you gentlemen have reached through experimentation. In fact hodgon has the 250 maxing at out at 2400, with Win Mag listing maxing out around 2650

I have forgotten in my frenzy of .338 fandom to concede that the effects of a 250 grain copper solid are likely considerably more dramatic than the 250 round noses.
 
conor_90 said:
I will concede that I have no seen published data with the .338 shooting a 250 at 2700, but none of my manuals or sites have the 9.3 hitting the velocities you gentlemen have reached through experimentation. In fact hodgon has the 250 maxing at out at 2400, with Win Mag listing maxing out around 2650
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Actually hodgdon has one 250/9.3 listed at 2484 fps. Or a 270 grain bullet at 2548 fps.

I don't think you're picking up what bigborefan was putting down regarding the same rifle with a different cartridge.
 
conor_90 said:
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I will concede that I have no seen published data with the .338 shooting a 250 at 2700, but none of my manuals or sites have the 9.3 hitting the velocities you gentlemen have reached through experimentation. In fact hodgon has the 250 maxing at out at 2400, with Win Mag listing maxing out around 2650
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the 9.3x62 is a old round , loaded into actions not designed to take the pressures of modern cartridges .

factory ammo and reloading information will reflect this fact and only produce pressure not to exceed the safe limits of the old rifles .( I believe the 9.3 even predates the 30-06 )

and what your reading in reloading manuals is all low pressure .

now load the 9.3 up to modern pressures ( assuming a modern action ) and the magic starts to happen .
 
burnt_servo said:
the 9.3x62 is a old round , loaded into actions not designed to take the pressures of modern cartridges .

factory ammo and reloading information will reflect this fact and only produce pressure not to exceed the safe limits of the old rifles .( I believe the 9.3 even predates the 30-06 )

and what your reading in reloading manuals is all low pressure .

now load the 9.3 up to modern pressures ( assuming a modern action ) and the magic starts to happen .
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Despite all that, it's basically a necked up 30-06 and capacity is limited as such. Nothing wrong with the 9.3, but that's where it's at, there's no magic.
 
Actually hodgdon has one 250/9.3 listed at 2484 fps. Or a 270 grain bullet at 2548 fps.
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Sorry, I was mistaken about the max 250 velocity listed by hodgdon. Not to be this guy, but that 2548 load is an exception, other powders are nowhere near the velocities of BL-C(2).

I don't think you're picking up what bigborefan was putting down regarding the same rifle with a different cartridge with other loadings
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Bigborefan appears to me at least to be suggesting that because the tikka can handle the pressures of the .338 WM and therefore is capable of handling the same pressures in the 9.3x62.

I will defer to him because he is clearly a more experienced re-loader than I, but I would suggest that this reasoning is likely correct but I am curious if certain cases cannot handle excess pressure regardless of action strength due to their construction.

I don't think you can understate the similarities between the cartridges in either case...
 
medvedqc said:
which countries?

not Zimbabwe, Botswana (no more hunting for the big 5), Namibia not caliber but energy again not for lion and leopard, RSA (depending which states and laws used) so in fact only Tanzania for now and Zambia except for lion and leopard so buffalo Rhino and elephant

western Africa there is no such .375 as the minimun.

so not that much lot of places .... for the 375 only ...
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Not the page I was looking for but it will have to do...

https://www.zliavhunting.com/caliber-requirements-for-african-countries/

It's worth noting that while Zim and Namibia allow 9.3mm calibre, there is also an energy requirement of 5300J or 3,909 ft. lbs. Most factory loads or the 9.3x62 will not meet this requirement. Even the RWS 293 gr. TUG ( now called UNI classic) listed at 2,430 fps, won't do it.
 
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A 375 Ruger shooter ^

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A 375 H and H shooter ^

Net effect though they're about the same :popCorn:
 
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