Some bullet selection help

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Im currently shooting a 308 and was wondering which catridge to stock up on.

I wouldnt mind something that could do it all i.e deer, moose and elk... is that possible?

Im currently buying cheap 150 grain from canadian tire winchester something or anothers. But if a person was going to slowly stock up what would be the best all round grain weight/brand/etc?

I see prices from $20-70 with this cheap $20 crap my rifle is punching holes in a 2 inch radius with me shooting at a 100 yards... so that seems quite reasonable for hunting at least to me...

anywho any input on selection?
 
Save your brass and start reloading.
If you want one bullet to cover all of your options my recommendation would be the 165 or 168 grain Barnes bullet loaded by Federal or Barnes.
Both are premium loadings and cost more money.
Both will probably require 2000+ fps terminal velocity so you need to know your limitations.
 
I would split the difference between traditional cup & core offering and monolithics and look for a bonded bullet that your rifle likes and suits your budget. You can up the weight of the bullet, say from 150's to 165's or 180's, depending on size of game.

Personally, I'd settled on Federal Fusion in 150's and 165's as they best suit the twist of my .308 and I was getting sub-MOA at 100 yards. Before that, I reloaded SSTs but they tended to fragment more than I liked on bigger critters or when smashing through heavy bone.
 
I agree on the reloading angle, it is very simple and very safe if you are careful, you can buy the right projectile for the job, and load it properly to fit your rifle. I just target shoot but wouldn't go back to factory ammo, factory is far less accurate once you find your rifles sweet spot with the reloads. This way you can make hunting loads/projectiles tailored to what you are hunting, or target loads for plinking, all for less than half the cost.
 
If you're not going to reload then you should shoot many different brands of factory ammo and see what your rifle likes. No sense in buying a bunch of stuff that doesn't shoot well in your rifle. Your rifle could dislike monos, or any other bullet for no reason at all.
 
Reloading is not an option no space or time or moneh for the start up. I buy my ammo with canadian tire dollars that i get from gassing up there.

if it helps at all im using a ruger gunsite scout with a bushnell 3x9x40 scope as well.

so buy an assortmemt of Quality rounds and play with them, is the general consensus?
 
In addition to the solid info given above here is a rundown of some of the more common bullets.

Barnes:

Known for their solid copper X-Bullet. These bullets are designed to initiate expansion at velocities above 1600fps, while proper expansion begins at 1800fps. These bullets are known for deep penetration and high weight retention.

Federal:

The Trophy Bonded Bearclaw has a lead core up front that is fused to a thick copper jacket. The rear half of the bullet is solid copper. Like the X-Bullets, these are also known for high weight retention and deep penetration.

Federal also produces the Fusion line of bullets. These are a lower cost alternative to the more premium bonded-core bullets. The process used to bond the lead core to the jacket (elctro-chemical) is said to produce similar results as conventionally bonded bullets. The bullet is basically entirely lead with a copper jacket. From my own personal experiences I've had good success with this bullet.

Hornady:

The bread-and-butter bullet in Hornady's lineup is the InterLock. It's a soft point with a tapered jacket that thins as it reaches the tip of the bullet, and a ring that mechanically locks the cover and jacket to prevent slippage during expansion. Although the majority are spire point, the can be found in round nose, flat point, and boat tail versions.

The SST is an InterLock with a ballistic tip and boat tail. It expands quickly and reports good Ballistic Coefficient numbers. It is a good choice for longer range hunting situations.
Remington uses this bullet calling it the "Accu-Tip".

Hornady's premium bonded bullet is called the InterBond. It is similar to the SST, sans cannelure. Here the lead core is chemically bonded to the jacket. This design is intended to provide rapid expansion along with good weight retention and better than normal penetration.

The GMX is a copper bullet with a ballistic (plastic) tip and boat tail. It is meant to compete with the Barnes Tipped TSX and over homogeneous bullets. Known for deep penetration.

Nosler:

Known for their excellent Partition bullet, Nosler manufactures a variety of quality bullets.
Nosler also manufactures bullets for Winchester under the Combined Technologies (CT) name such as the Ballistic Silvertip and the AccuBond CT.
The bullet jackets that Nosler produces are manufactured through a process call impact extrusion which is more expensive than other methods. Most manufactures use the cup and draw method whereas Nosler produces their jackets from copper alloy slugs.

The Partition is essentially two bullets in one. Two lead cores are separated by a solid partition/divider that is made out of the jacket material (the bullet is basically shaped like an H). Because of the separate cores, the front half of the bullet expands rapidly, while the rear is incapable of expanding due to the partition. Regardless of how violently the front half expands, Partitions will retain a minimum of +/- 60% of their weight. It should be noted that these bullets require 1800fps+ to initiate expansion.

The Ballistic tip is lead core, copper jacketed, plastic tip, boat tail bullet. They produce high BC's and are generally quite accurate. In calibers over .30 cal they have a thicker jacket meant for use on larger game. Like the Partition they require at least 1800fps to reliable expand.

The AccuBond combines the high BC, rapid expansion and accuracy of the Ballistic Tip with a bonded core that wields high weight retention. Again, 1800fps is recommended for good expansion.

The E-Tip is a homogeneous metal bullet bullet with a ballistic tip. Once again the minimum impact velocity applies and all E-Tips feature a boat tail design.

Remington:

The Core-Lokt is a flat base, soft point, featuring a tapered jacket that is thickest around the middle of the bullet. This design allows for massive expansion.

The Core-Lokt Ultra is a bonded core bullet with the Core-Lokt style jacket.

Sierra:

The GameKing is a spitzer/boat tail bullet that is the closest thing to a MatchKing you're going to find. It is a good long range hunting bullet.

Winchester:

The Extreme Point, used in Deer Season XP ammo, is a lead core, jacketed, spitzer bullet with a flat base and extra large polymer tip.

The Power Point (no affiliation to Microsoft Office) is a flat base, soft point with tapered jacket and cannelure.

The XP3 is a Lubalox coated bullet where the front half of the bullet is solid with a plastic tip and the rear half contains a lead core. This boat tail is fairly complicated compared to other bullets, is found in the "Super Elite" line and is recommended for big game.

I realize that I'm missing some names like Berger as well, who are absolutely worth considering. I hope this helps you make as informed of a decision as possible.
On a note in regards to reloading. Yes, you can get better accuracy, consistency, and save some money, but reloading components are not as available as they were years ago.
Just ask all the guys with orders in for H1000. A guy has to get some good production going before he's going to recoup the start up costs of reloading.

There is a lot of good info on this forum, as well as others that you can glean info from. You can also give us a call here at the store any time and we'll be happy to help you out!

Gerhard
 
45 years ago when my Dad started taking me hunting with him for Moose, Deer and Bear (bear tags were included free with deer and moose licences - so you got a Deer/Bear tag or Moose/Bear tag), he would take the 30.06 and I got the 30.30 (because I was big enough to handle it).

We would go down to the hardware store an pick up a box of 180 grain Remington soft-points for the 30.06 and a box of the "brand new innovative" nylon tipped 170 grain round nosed 30.30's (the nylon tip meant the tips wouldn't get messed up in the tubular mag on my Mod 94).

We hunted in Northern Ontario for Moose and Eastern Ontario for deer.

And "despite" not having monolithic or bonded bullets with aerodynamic tips and boat tails we still managed to fill our tags just about every year.

If you keep your shots down in the 200 yard or less range, for all the game you note, even the soft point, 24 buck a box, Federals are "enough".

If you have to "kill something" and will take a long shot, or a somewhat "iffy" shot, then you MUST go with minimally a bonded bullet that with "reliably expand" at the impact velocity of a 308 - and at 300 yards something like a Barnes TTSX will "NOT" give you the expansion your require because your velocity will be too low. The mono's are great for shoulder shots on tougher game at "close" range or at most ranges with a magnum rifle, but not so much for anything else.

So to really get a valid recommendation you would have to detail how YOU hunt. I don't shoot further than 100 yards ever, so what will work for me may not work for you.
 
45 years ago when my Dad started taking me hunting with him for Moose, Deer and Bear (bear tags were included free with deer and moose licences - so you got a Deer/Bear tag or Moose/Bear tag), he would take the 30.06 and I got the 30.30 (because I was big enough to handle it).

We would go down to the hardware store an pick up a box of 180 grain Remington soft-points for the 30.06 and a box of the "brand new innovative" nylon tipped 170 grain round nosed 30.30's (the nylon tip meant the tips wouldn't get messed up in the tubular mag on my Mod 94).

We hunted in Northern Ontario for Moose and Eastern Ontario for deer.

And "despite" not having monolithic or bonded bullets with aerodynamic tips and boat tails we still managed to fill our tags just about every year.

If you keep your shots down in the 200 yard or less range, for all the game you note, even the soft point, 24 buck a box, Federals are "enough".

If you have to "kill something" and will take a long shot, or a somewhat "iffy" shot, then you MUST go with minimally a bonded bullet that with "reliably expand" at the impact velocity of a 308 - and at 300 yards something like a Barnes TTSX will "NOT" give you the expansion your require because your velocity will be too low. The mono's are great for shoulder shots on tougher game at "close" range or at most ranges with a magnum rifle, but not so much for anything else.

So to really get a valid recommendation you would have to detail how YOU hunt. I don't shoot further than 100 yards ever, so what will work for me may not work for you.

Valid points, extremely so. I cant say "how" yet, I can say im comfortable shooting out to 200 yards, but never really get to many animals that far out. most ive seen is around 100-150 yards. But it could be nice knowing i can drop something at 300 if I decide to.

Ill be spending some time at he range this year, getting to know my rifle better and expanding my abilities. but for now im guessing 200 yards is the top side of how far ill be shooting and most likely 100 yards or less.

edit=This was my first year out so im still green and just trying to make the best decisions i can.
 
since reloading is just not practical for a great many people.....
I'd try federal powershok for stocking up.
I buy it by the case
I've used it in .308 and .303 for years in 150gr and 180gr with excellent results on deer and a few moose.
it's not all I use, but for .308 and .303 I trust it to put game down and there's no gimmicks attached to it's marketing.
just affordable, reliable soft point.

(p.s. many of those deer and one of those moose were shot with said ammo just a hair north of Kamloops and a little south of chasm hehehe)
 
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Im currently shooting a 308 and was wondering which catridge to stock up on.

I wouldnt mind something that could do it all i.e deer, moose and elk... is that possible?

Im currently buying cheap 150 grain from canadian tire winchester something or anothers. But if a person was going to slowly stock up what would be the best all round grain weight/brand/etc?

I see prices from $20-70 with this cheap $20 crap my rifle is punching holes in a 2 inch radius with me shooting at a 100 yards... so that seems quite reasonable for hunting at least to me...

anywho any input on selection?

That Winchester Power Point 150gr or 180gr from CTC will drop deer all day long.
If it works in your gun use it.
 
Time behind the trigger is priceless. If you get the chance, and you have a range that can facilitate, stretch your comfort zone out to 500m for example. Longer distances magnify small mistakes and can help make you a better shooter. Know your rifle, caliber, and their limitations. Personally, I run 180s through my .308 with great success but 165s will do the trick too.

Gerhard
 
since reloading is just not practical for a great many people.....
I'd try federal powershok for stocking up.
I buy it by the case
I've used it in .308 and .303 for years in 150gr and 180gr with excellent results on deer and a few moose.
it's not all I use, but for .308 and .303 I trust it to put game down and there's no gimmicks attached to it's marketing.
just affordable, reliable soft point.

(p.s. many of those deer and one of those moose were shot with said ammo just a hair north of Kamloops and a little south of chasm hehehe)

*cough* Loon lake? *cough*
 
To the OP: don't give up on reloading just yet. If cost/space limitations are holding you back you can also consider the Lee Loader kits for a single caliber. I have them for 30/30, 308 & 30-06. Wholesale sports has them for I think $39.99 per one caliber and contains everything you need (minus a plastic mallet) except the components (brass, bullets, primers). They are very easy to use with good instructions, although not super fast. But I can easily load a 30-40 rounds in an evening for a day of shooting or for hunting season. I usually load on either my kitchen table or coffee table. They are a very inexpensive way to try reloading and work great for you since you only have the one rifle in 308. Since the Lee Loader only neck sizes the brass it may or may not work in another rifle of the same caliber. For example my two 30-30 will interchange but my Tikka and Rem 760 30-06 won't, the Remington needs full length resized brass. If you save the brass from the factory loads you shoot you can add the kit, bullets, powder and primers as you go. If you reload with a simple kit like the Lee Loader you can pay for it very quickly either with cheap plinking loads for more practice or load rounds with premium bullets like Nosler or Barnes etc for waaay cheaper than buying factory loads with those. A guy will go broke in a hurry shooting those at $40-60/ 20 !!

Even if you later decide to get better reloading gear the Lee kits are still useful. You can even do load development on your tailgate while your shooting in the bush with them. The 308 is super easy to reload for components and information are everywhere. The only thing I would add to the kit when you buy it is a good reloading book either the Lee one or from the bullet manufacturer you are interested in Nosler, Sierra etc. They have a wealth of information that can't always be found online.

I have been using my little kits for over 10 years now and loaded many hundreds of rounds with them. I don't think I could afford to shoot even have as much as I do ( or play around with all the different loads I do) if I had to rely on the factory stuff. I have never had a problem with accuracy or reliability either. I have even worked up 1 MOA loads for my Marlin 30-30 !
 
45 years ago when my Dad started taking me hunting with him for Moose, Deer and Bear (bear tags were included free with deer and moose licences - so you got a Deer/Bear tag or Moose/Bear tag), he would take the 30.06 and I got the 30.30 (because I was big enough to handle it).

We would go down to the hardware store an pick up a box of 180 grain Remington soft-points for the 30.06 and a box of the "brand new innovative" nylon tipped 170 grain round nosed 30.30's (the nylon tip meant the tips wouldn't get messed up in the tubular mag on my Mod 94).

We hunted in Northern Ontario for Moose and Eastern Ontario for deer.

And "despite" not having monolithic or bonded bullets with aerodynamic tips and boat tails we still managed to fill our tags just about every year.

If you keep your shots down in the 200 yard or less range, for all the game you note, even the soft point, 24 buck a box, Federals are "enough".

If you have to "kill something" and will take a long shot, or a somewhat "iffy" shot, then you MUST go with minimally a bonded bullet that with "reliably expand" at the impact velocity of a 308 - and at 300 yards something like a Barnes TTSX will "NOT" give you the expansion your require because your velocity will be too low. The mono's are great for shoulder shots on tougher game at "close" range or at most ranges with a magnum rifle, but not so much for anything else.

So to really get a valid recommendation you would have to detail how YOU hunt. I don't shoot further than 100 yards ever, so what will work for me may not work for you.

Well, our man in Kamloops has gotten some very good insight from other members who have seen and hunted the area.

He hunts in a mix of relatively open country and wide open country (and it's beautiful if you were wondering). Big old mulies, medium to large sized moose and some elk. He's a new hunter so it's unlikely that he's going to schlep his ass up into the mountains after sheep and goats. He might decide to shoot a black bear.

For these things traditional cup and core bullets will do nicely. I prefer to lean to the safer side, hence my proclivities for Partitions. Of course, not being a reloader, our man is stuck to factory ammo. Hell, I'm still trying to convince him to butcher his own deer (I'll win that one eventually). That can be a touchy road to go down trying to find factory loads that your rifle likes. And a costly one to boot. But you choose your road and you contend with the ruts on it.
 
*cough* Loon lake? *cough*

hmmmm, close, very close ...... but not quite ;)
although every year during hunting season there sure is a tonne of deer in the fields along the loon lake road..... just nowhere along there where it's legal to pop one hehehehe
 
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