Rifling flaw on S&W 686?

Thanks everyone for your replies and suggestions, much appreciated. After previously working the bore with G96 and a copper brush, I put a small piece of lead remover cloth on a brush and tried that. The tip of the tooth looks a touch smaller now, so I think it may just be a particularly stubborn piece of lead. I'm off to the range on Wednesday with some .38 and .357 FMJ and we'll see if jacketed bullets are able to clear it out.
 
You'd probably be shocked at how bad a barrel can look and still shoot well, I have a pistol that has chatter marks in the barrel from the rifling process and it shoots as well with the factory barrel as it does with an aftermarket barrel. Shoot it, see how it does - I've also seen ringed barrels that shoot perfectly. You never know until you try.
 
I put some jacketed .38 and .357 downrange last night (took forever for the registration cert to arrive). The tooth didn't budge, nor did it when I cleaned it afterwards using the copper brush and lead remover cloth. I contacted the seller who isn't interested in taking it back; he claims he never saw the tooth and suggested that I be the one to talk to S&W about warranty. I find it hard to believe he's never looked down the bore, but if it's fouling, I suppose it could have happened on his last shot before selling it.

Before going through the effort of shipping it out west for warranty assessment/repair, I might take it to a local gunsmith to get confirmation that it's not just a super stubborn piece of fouling or machining debris. I'm reluctant to try scraping or pushing it out myself with metal tools for fear of scratching the bore.

Being my first EE transaction, I guess I learned the hard way to always ask about the condition of the bore, and get a photo if possible. Not sure what to do about my feedback for the seller.
 
droitwich said:
I put some jacketed .38 and .357 downrange last night (took forever for the registration cert to arrive). The tooth didn't budge, nor did it when I cleaned it afterwards using the copper brush and lead remover cloth. I contacted the seller who isn't interested in taking it back; he claims he never saw the tooth and suggested that I be the one to talk to S&W about warranty. I find it hard to believe he's never looked down the bore, but if it's fouling, I suppose it could have happened on his last shot before selling it. Before going through the effort of shipping it out west for warranty assessment/repair, I might take it to a local gunsmith to get confirmation that it's not just a super stubborn piece of fouling or machining debris. I'm reluctant to try scraping or pushing it out myself with metal tools for fear of scratching the bore. Being my first EE transaction, I guess I learned the hard way to always ask about the condition of the bore, and get a photo if possible. Not sure what to do about my feedback for the seller.
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Have you sent a photo to S&W yet?
 
Looks like the seller 'riley2' does not have a clean history. If you have close to 100 transactions on EE, it is highly unlikely you wouldn't be aware of something like this. If he is refusing to take it back, talk to MD. I'd also be tempted to change the feedback.
 
droitwich said:
I put some jacketed .38 and .357 downrange last night (took forever for the registration cert to arrive). The tooth didn't budge, nor did it when I cleaned it afterwards using the copper brush and lead remover cloth. I contacted the seller who isn't interested in taking it back; he claims he never saw the tooth and suggested that I be the one to talk to S&W about warranty. I find it hard to believe he's never looked down the bore, but if it's fouling, I suppose it could have happened on his last shot before selling it.

Before going through the effort of shipping it out west for warranty assessment/repair, I might take it to a local gunsmith to get confirmation that it's not just a super stubborn piece of fouling or machining debris. I'm reluctant to try scraping or pushing it out myself with metal tools for fear of scratching the bore.

Being my first EE transaction, I guess I learned the hard way to always ask about the condition of the bore, and get a photo if possible. Not sure what to do about my feedback for the seller.
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Please PM me the sellers name/handle or verify that it is "riley2" who dumped this lemon. (fodder for my ignore list, I won't do business with clowns like this.) I earnestly hope S&W takes care of you.
 
I have a new model 66 with two chatter marks across one of the lands. NOT impressed at all. However I am not willing to wait a year or so for warrantee work. I have only put 50 rounds through it so far and I can't shoot a revolver worth a damn so I can't tell if it is effecting accuracy. Smith quality control is a long way off from where it used to be.
 
Markus said:
I have a new model 66 with two chatter marks across one of the lands. NOT impressed at all. However I am not willing to wait a year or so for warrantee work. I have only put 50 rounds through it so far and I can't shoot a revolver worth a damn so I can't tell if it is effecting accuracy. Smith quality control is a long way off from where it used to be.
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I also have a new Model 66, but happy to report it is flawless.
 
Markus said:
I have a new model 66 with two chatter marks across one of the lands. NOT impressed at all. However I am not willing to wait a year or so for warrantee work. I have only put 50 rounds through it so far and I can't shoot a revolver worth a damn so I can't tell if it is effecting accuracy. Smith quality control is a long way off from where it used to be.
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My new 686 and new 617 were both perfect out of the box near as I can tell. The gap between the cylinder on both is the same and optimal. No barrel canting issues and the cylinder indexes correctly. Finish is awesome as well. Just throwing my experiences with S&W out there. While it would seem from all of the bad experiences on the forums regarding S&W that they are turning out nothing but crap, most of the time they are capable of turning out an awesome revolver. I don't think they're turning out any more lemons than Ruger or the others but it's their higher price tag that makes getting one especially frustrating. Many feel that their QC is no better or worse than it used to be either, the earlier revolvers were not without their problems.
 
silverfoxdj said:
Smith seems to be losing it QA grip in recent times..
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The photo isn't that great so I can't see how this defect formed but has it occurred to you that the seller may have caused this flaw? You are simply perpetuating internet gossip about S&W QC.
 
Thats some nasty QC.. by Smith. Even nastier deception on the guy that sold you this. Without a doubt he knew about this.. any gun guy inspects his firearm like he does his woman.

I have added that seller to my ignore list,where he belongs.
 
fdc said:
The photo isn't that great so I can't see how this defect formed but has it occurred to you that the seller may have caused this flaw? You are simply perpetuating internet gossip about S&W QC.
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Gossip? I have $1185 worth of it in a box. But my 629 is holding up fine. So far.
 
dirtybarry said:
Gossip? I have $1185 worth of it in a box. But my 629 is holding up fine. So far.
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You have gone on and on about your "Smith failure" with your flawlessly QC'd at the hot end of the spectrum handloads Dirty. Your scientific method doesn't hold up and your "conclusions" about your particular failure just don't hold water. You have not even come close to being able to lay the blame for your gun failure at the feet of S&W. I know, cue the dead horse emoticon!

Truthfully I was not thinking of your 629 when I wrote the word gossip, I was thinking of all of the S&W QC comments from the peanut gallery though.
 
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