Need some help! Swedish and Turkish Mausers, pictures galore!

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Hello all! My club recently received a generous donation of some rifles. We've kept some that are useful to us, but the rest we are selling to raise some money to help us keep going.

Here are two of them. A Swedish Target rifle and a Gew 88 Commission rifle, Reworked by Ankara in 1937. I would like to know any history or important features, as well as a fair market value for the guns. Thank you!

First is the Swedish Mauser: This rifle has one heckuva nice trigger on it. The bore is also very good.

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And second, the Turkish Gew 88 Conversion: The bore, by my judgement, is excellent.

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Thanks in advance to anyone that helps!
 
Nice rifles, excellent photos!

The Swede is an original, purpose built m/38 and not a conversion of an earlier m/96. The two give-aways are that is was manufactured by Husqvarna, which only made m/38s, and that it has a turned down bolt. I'd put the value between $350-400 or more.

The Turk is the end of a long line of conversions of the German Gew.88 "Commission Rifle" The manufacturer has been lost to the ages as it was scrubbed off to stamp the Turk re-arsenal markings. They were mostly made by Ludwig-Loewe, Spandau, and Erfurt in the very late 1880s and early 1890s. The version you have is what's known as a Gew 88/05/35. It was converted to use spitzer tipped ammo (S stamped on the receiver, and groove cut in the front of the receiver ring), as well as the magazine converted to take stripper clips instead of en-bloc clips. Additionally the Turks did away with the barrel shroud and restocked the rifle in a more traditional Mauser pattern stock.

I would put the value in the same ballpark, $300-$350.

It should be noted that it is NOT SAFE to shoot Surplus or European Manufactured 8mm Mauser out of a Gew 88 action. Modern US made ammo is generally considered safe to shoot.
 
SWEDE is a Husqvarna model 38, these are one of the preferred models today. It appears to be in VG condition with the important parts matching, I would agree the price range 350-450.
 
The range plate on the m/38 is a bonus, and tells me that it was used by a caring civilian in the FSR. The lack of muzzle threading tells me that it never an in-service arm. I'd like to own it, but I already have an m/96, plus the little matter of living in yUK......

tac
 
tacfoley said:
The range plate on the m/38 is a bonus, and tells me that it was used by a caring civilian in the FSR. The lack of muzzle threading tells me that it never an in-service arm......tac
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I don't believe either of those statements to be true, but stand to be corrected.
 
tacfoley said:
'kay. I've never seen a service arm of this era with a range plate, and I've never seen a m/38 service arm that wasn't threaded for the BFA.

I also stand to be corrected.

tac
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I have 4 as new M38's that came out of a crate full direct from Swedish Military storage and none have threaded barrels. The so-called range plate was a military plate added to some issued rifles to allow the operator to adjust sighting between the old 156gr. M/94 and the newer 140gr. M/41 service ammo.

Only worn bore rifles were threaded for blank firing use as the issued wooden blank projectile ammo were found to increase wear on barrels. The BFA attached to the muzzle to shred up the wooden bullets as they were still lethal at short to medium range.

There was a transition period of time when they were switching over from one to the other ammo and still needed to use up the old stock ammo first. They also had too different sights, one calibrated for M/94 ammo and the other for M/41 ammo. Later when the old ammo was out of use and as the rifles came in for repair service the old sight and plate was removed and the newer rear sight fitted.

The plate fitted to this rifle is correct for the rifle fitted with a m/38 Sight for ogive bullet (m/94 156gr. round nose) and shooting with 140gr. spitzer bullet (m/41) for needed sight setting/correction.
 
Normally the sight ladder would be stamped "T" for torped for the 139 gr. pointed bullet. Funny how they reduced the sight to 600M with the new, more efficient bullet.
mkrnel said:
I have 4 as new M38's that came out of a crate full direct from Swedish Military storage and none have threaded barrels. The so-called range plate was a military plate added to some issued rifles to allow the operator to adjust sighting between the old 156gr. M/94 and the newer 140gr. M/41 service ammo.

Only worn bore rifles were threaded for blank firing use as the issued wooden blank projectile ammo were found to increase wear on barrels. The BFA attached to the muzzle to shred up the wooden bullets as they were still lethal at short to medium range.

There was a transition period of time when they were switching over from one to the other ammo and still needed to use up the old stock ammo first. They also had too different sights, one calibrated for M/94 ammo and the other for M/41 ammo. Later when the old ammo was out of use and as the rifles came in for repair service the old sight and plate was removed and the newer rear sight fitted.

The plate fitted to this rifle is correct for the rifle fitted with a m/38 Sight for ogive bullet (m/94 156gr. round nose) and shooting with 140gr. spitzer bullet (m/41) for needed sight setting/correction.
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