A good m-14 gunsmith located in Canada...

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Hi, this topic been probably covered a couple times here. And I've seen and read the sticky about how to rebarrel an m305 here. But I have no intentions to do that myself.

So here is my question: I'm told I'd better entrust a gunsmith with specific m-14 competences to rebarrel my m305. Can you guys recommend me some here in Canada? And I was wondering too: does Smith Entreprises in the US would do the job if I ship them the rifle?

Thank you.
 
I would have no problem sending it to Tactical Ordnance, Casey did my M305 when I wanted it in a SAGE stock, it was "short stroking" and he sorted it out right away. Good Luck.
 
keep in mind the border isn't exactly porous as far as nirinco- exp the 305's are concerned-it WON'T get in- you mentioned an m14, which is if it's real , prohibited on BOTH sides of the border- if it's a CHINESE model, u won't get past THEIR batf - why do you figure you need a new barrel?- is this an upgrade for your pleasure or have you actually shot out the existing one?- a new barrel and accompanying work will NOT necessarily improve the size of your groups
 
t-star said:
keep in mind the border isn't exactly porous as far as nirinco- exp the 305's are concerned-it WON'T get in- you mentioned an m14, which is if it's real , prohibited on BOTH sides of the border- if it's a CHINESE model, u won't get past THEIR batf - why do you figure you need a new barrel?- is this an upgrade for your pleasure or have you actually shot out the existing one?- a new barrel and accompanying work will NOT necessarily improve the size of your groups
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Take my "m14 gunsmith" as an expression, I'm looking for an armorer knowledgeable with this gun. I know importing/exporting firearms is a problem, and Chinese are banned south, but transporting a firearm for use is not. I shoot in Vermont regularly. I do import parts from time to time. So I guess having a job done on my gun does not fit the importation laws. I'm just asking of anyone having an experience with doing this, otherwise I will write them directly tomorrow.

As for the gun itself, I have seated it into a Blackfeather stock with a CASM mount. It shoots awful. I had not tried to shoot it 200 yds before the stock change so I don't know how it was, except that it was ok at 50 yds with irons. But I have a second m305 and I transferred the CASM onto it yesterday night and went shooting it today, it was much better. About 3-4MOA@200 yds. All this with military factory ammo so it's not bad. Of course to be completely sure what the issue is I would have to put the factory oprod guide back into the first gun and seat it back into its own stock and test.

Apart from the barrel and gas piston system there is not much else to ameliorate its performances. The trigger I already polished and fells fine.
 
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mildot said:
I would have no problem sending it to Tactical Ordnance, Casey did my M305 when I wanted it in a SAGE stock, it was "short stroking" and he sorted it out right away. Good Luck.
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I just wrote an email to them. I'll see what they have for me. Thank you mildot.
 
Since leaving the M14 smithing business , I have been inundated with requests for me to get back in the game and work on peoples rifles again. I have instead, been referring folks to Casey at tactical ordanance for a couple or so years now and have been thanked by many folks for the referral. Bottom line, he's the only practicing smith in Canada that I would recommend for m14 work.

I don't believe you can get a norinco rifle approved for entry into the united states, I could be wrong, but pretty sure that's a no go right there.... since the Clinton administration I think (?)
 
that's b/c the " king " does such good werke- to get a recommendation from him is HIGH PRAISE INDEED- in other words, your question is answered
 
Dake21 said:
I asked my local smith about it and he said it would cost more than what I paid the rifle for. Is this truly that expensive?
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Depends on what you paid for the rifle and what you are going to have put on the gun. Let's say the rifle was $500. A Krieger barrel alone would be a little more than that before taxes or gun smith fees. which I'm just guessing would be at least $250 for reaming and fitting so $750-ish. Even a Criterion barrel is $400, and you'd have to buy at a minimum a new gas lock (say $30) and maybe the rest of the gas system if the Norc system doesn't fit. Maybe if you found a take-off Springfield barrel at a good price and by a minor miracle the bolt head-spaced correctly once the barrel was spun-on you might equal the price of the rifle but the chances are slim and there are risks. In this last case, if the headspace was off-spec with the take-off barrel, you might try a US bolt ($450 for a Fulton) which sometimes drops in and sometimes not but then you'd be well over the cost of an short chambered barrel.

I'd say your local smith is probably right.
 
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and a lot of gunsmiths won't TOUCH anything norinco, period- from a simple 1911 which any damned fool can work on as far as replacing parts to a simple break action shotgun- they just PLAIN don't want to work anything Chinese- talk about head in the sand mentality- you've been told who to talk to- now either put it back to original condition and see how it does, or forget it- about 90% of the problems with these guns come from people trying to "improve " either the stock or some such - I have 3 brand new 305s I got from marstar and you know what i'm going to do with them?- NOTHING- aside from maybe a bipod and scope- a whole new rifle is only 600 bucks- and I don't care for the cheese grater stocks currently being fielded- and i'm no newbie as far as the 14 is concerned- I have a h&r, a springfied, and a trw- all brought up to m21 standards- the only thing i'm going to do is transfer the scopes and bipods from the closet queens to the active 305s
reminds me of a guy that used to work for pioneer gun works- Gunther- he had 98s, all kinds of mausers, and a lot of p/h bolts- did't matter how nice it was they were all "old army rifles " and pieces of s*it- well, I had him do a m98 bolt for me and it turns out HE was the pos, not the gun- the best argument I've heard lately is that they're METRIC and my tools don't fit properly- THIS IS CANADA, WE WENT METRIC BACK IN 67 and I can get metric and any Canadian tire or princess auto
 
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Dake21 said:
I asked my local smith about it and he said it would cost more than what I paid the rifle for. Is this truly that expensive?
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Difficult to find anything that would be LESS that the price of the rifle. Yet I'm willing to pay some to make it good. Springfields are nearly 3000$...
 
Among the services I offered as a dedicated "m14 smith" , I offered 2 very popular packages.
These were not just exclusively for norinco rifles, I applied the same packages to many springfields and early LRB rifle imports.
The "standard accurizing package was 325.. And 375 with an NM guide rod included.
This included full rifle inspection, trigger job, gas system unitizing, barrel indexing, oprod guide nm conditioning as the major components of the package.
The squad rifle package included all of the above but also included cut/crown/threading of the barrel as well as custom, gas assembly mounted front sight base. This package was 525 if I remember right.
No idea what tac ord charges for similar work, but most guys having the above work done, were quite pleased with the results.
 
45ACPKING said:
Among the services I offered as a dedicated "m14 smith" , I offered 2 very popular packages.
These were not just exclusively for norinco rifles, I applied the same packages to many springfields and early LRB rifle imports.
The "standard accurizing package was 325.. And 375 with an NM guide rod included.
This included full rifle inspection, trigger job, gas system unitizing, barrel indexing, oprod guide nm conditioning as the major components of the package.
The squad rifle package included all of the above but also included cut/crown/threading of the barrel as well as custom, gas assembly mounted front sight base. This package was 525 if I remember right.
No idea what tac ord charges for similar work, but most guys having the above work done, were quite pleased with the results.
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Would not the gas system unitizing be less of an issue with the Blackfeather stock? Since the oprod guide is screwed into the stock?
 
steamy teabag said:
This is what I'm struggling with. I want an M1A socom with a forward scout rail for optics. Do I get an M305 in 18.5 and then spend money or just go buy a Springfield already to specs.
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There is no reason a "good" M305 with a forward rail (e.g M14.ca) would not shoot as well and offer the same function as a Springfield Socom at less than half the price. That said, the finishing of the Springfield will be much better than the Norinco. So the question for you is are you willing to pay for bling or are you more interested in functional value? There is no wrong answer and no moral judgement implied....different strokes and all that.
 
MozPhoq said:
Would not the gas system unitizing be less of an issue with the Blackfeather stock? Since the oprod guide is screwed into the stock?
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I was just posting that as a reference to average smithing costs.
I din't own a black feather so can't comment on what mods are compatable.
 
If you are looking for consistent accuracy from a Norinco M305, it is achievable, but normally after a long journey.........

From my limited experience of 2 rifles and 4 years of trying I am getting close to the end of the line with 2 - 2.5 MOA at 400 metres. My advice is to use up-grades where necessary and get into reloading in a modest manner. The two together will get you closer to the goal.

Candocad.
 
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