thoughts on semi auto pistol carbines

jjohnwm said:
99.9% of my shooting (target/plinking) is with whatever cheap bulk 9mm I can find on sale. The gun usually wears the irons, or sometimes a red-dot sight, and gets regular re-zeroing because of constant changes in ammo availability.

I also have a jealously-guarded supply of 125mm HP reloads I made up something like 9 or 10 years ago. They are zeroed at 125 yards with a TRS25 red dot on an offset 45-degree mount...that is my skunk-snuffing, porcupine-puncturing, raccoon-riddling, coyote-collapsing go-to setup. :)
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I'm still trying to figure the best bullet weight for my CX4. I haven't seen a large difference between 115gr and 124gr, though I seem to get slightly better accuracy with the 124gr. Barrel is 1 in 10 twist if I remember? Next summer I've got to try shooting some 147gr and see if it works as well. I'm a tad weary of it: it's a slower bullet after all. What's hard is finding the same brand of ammo available at the same time for all three weights to do the tests... no point in comparing 124gr from one manufacturer with 147gr from another, after all, that's not gonna tell me a thing. :)
 
I see no difference in terminal effects (on the small critters I shoot) with any bullet weight, as long as I use HP's. I only chose the 125's because they shot more accurately by far than any other bullets I tried. I don't even know what brand they are, just bought a bulk bag at a gunshow and found a superior load with very little experimentation. I have less than 50 left...will be very sad when I finally use the last ones up.

I don't doubt for a moment that they would be adequate for deer at 100 yards or less, I just have no interest in using them. To me, deer are game animals, not varmints...they deserve better than the embarrassment of being killed with a PCC. :)
 
pisces-guy said:
No, coming from someone that's shot both, yes the Beretta is more refined and a better gun out of the box, but with a bit of wet sanding and a trigger job to get the trigger pull down to under 4 pounds, the Kel-tec Sub2K Gen 2 becomes a nice accurate shooter. It also folds into a nice compact package that fits into practically any backpack or quad box...something the CX-4 and others can't do! :)
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CX4 breaks down into two halves with removing just one pin.
 
Anyone handled a Kriss Vector? I don't usually like black gun's but I'm interested in the Swiss connection.

10mm seems to be a popular hunting round in the states, in handguns too, can it be loaded to 44-40 power? I see comparisons to the 38-40 online sometimes.
 
conor_90 said:
Anyone handled a Kriss Vector? I don't usually like black gun's but I'm interested in the Swiss connection.

10mm seems to be a popular hunting round in the states, in handguns too, can it be loaded to 44-40 power? I see comparisons to the 38-40 online sometimes.
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I had a Kriss in 45, liked it, had some feed issues at first, ,when Gen 2 was announced I sold the 45. Now have a 9mm Kriss. Love it ! It's certainly "different", shoots beautifully, feels good in hand, hundreds of rounds and no FTE or FTL. She's a keeper.
 
I live in flat open south west Ontario. I use a muzzleloader or bow for deer. There's a small game caliber restriction as well so the chance of hunting with a pcc is slim to none as I already bring to many guns when I travel north to hunt. The thought I had is its closer to a handgun for the non gunners who would b using it. The fact some aren't restricted and they don't cost thousands means I can take it out behind a barn and have new shooters pop off rounds to prove guns are fun and that there's no reason for handguns and black guns to be restricted to range use. Many new female shooters I find are more likely to try shooting on familiar ground then a gun range.
It would see most use at tailgate parties.
Also I just enjoy the purity of shooting and it's a platform I don't currently own.
No offense to the ar crowd but I wouldn't hunt with one either. Not that they're not capable by any means I just prefer bolts and hinge barrel guns for hunting.

However inside 30 yards from a tree stand or natural cover I'd have no issues taking a deer with 9 mm or 45 if properly constructed bullets were used. I'd just rather use something else personally
 
Grawfr said:
Yes. 9mm 124gr JHP though, not .45ACP, and don't go shooting cheap ammo either, quality matters if you want consistent accuracy. It's an 8 MOA target with zero at 50m, 3 inches drop at 75m, 7 inches drop at 100m. Didn't you learn to compensate for bullet drop when shooting hunting calibers at 100-200-300m? Why would you think it's any different when shooting a PCC at 50-75-100m?

The CX4 can do 2 MOA from a rest, 4 MOA is quite doable on an improvised rest. I use a 1-4x scope because my eyes won't let me use iron sights anymore (damnit!). But you do have to stay within the limitations of your weapon: don't go playing Daniel Boone and try some 200-300m shots with a PCC, that's asking for the exact trouble you're so fearing. And for sure don't shoot if you're going to hit a branch along the way, lol!

Look, guys: feel free to believe it's not possible to hunt with a 9mm PCC. I understand you believe you'll either miss or that your deer will have bulletproof hide. It's all right. Really. We'll disagree on that, but I agree with you that a PCC is not the best tool for hunting, I really do. It's a lot harder to use than a purpose-made hunting rifle.

That 12-rounds Beretta 96 mag is great for wood zombies, though! ;)

Have a fine weekend! :)
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8 MOA...... And you want to shoot deer out to 100 yards and add a holdover to the equation and this is a "good enough" deer hunting rifle to you?........

And no, I don't have to practice holdover at 300 yards with my hunting rifles I use for when a 300 yard shot may be a reaility....
 
brybenn said:
I live in flat open south west Ontario. I use a muzzleloader or bow for deer. There's a small game caliber restriction as well so the chance of hunting with a pcc is slim to none as I already bring to many guns when I travel north to hunt. The thought I had is its closer to a handgun for the non gunners who would b using it. The fact some aren't restricted and they don't cost thousands means I can take it out behind a barn and have new shooters pop off rounds to prove guns are fun and that there's no reason for handguns and black guns to be restricted to range use. Many new female shooters I find are more likely to try shooting on familiar ground then a gun range.
It would see most use at tailgate parties.
Also I just enjoy the purity of shooting and it's a platform I don't currently own.
No offense to the ar crowd but I wouldn't hunt with one either. Not that they're not capable by any means I just prefer bolts and hinge barrel guns for hunting.

However inside 30 yards from a tree stand or natural cover I'd have no issues taking a deer with 9 mm or 45 if properly constructed bullets were used. I'd just rather use something else personally
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My thoughts exactly...they're for fun, self defence, and pests...not a replacement for your hunting rifle!
 
brybenn said:
Are there any others worth looking at? I'd prefer non restricted but if there's something special I'd consider a restricted
I'm not looking for a traditional ar
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Tavor in 9mm ....

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I woudl use one in 45ACP and load it with 45-08 ammo. Something in 45 Winchester magnum or 50AE or 440 CorBon or one of the other powerful rimless cartridges would be something else.
 
badbobby1 said:
Interesting. My friend is getting one. I decided against it after some poor reviews. Im getting the aero
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I also own Kriss Vector Carbine (gen 2) in 9mm. Another fine sub-gun that I would recommend to anybody. They aren't cheap (~$2000), but they are well made, easy to clean, and very accurate.

At ranges under 100 metres, and with the right bullet selection, I don't see why they couldn't make a good dear rifle, but they don't replace a proper bolt action hunting rifle.
 
I have a 9mm JR Carbine and it's a fine compact utility firearm that's lots of fun. Functions flawlessly and is reasonably accurate off-hand at close range. I suppose it could be used for hunting but not sure why anyone would want to do that. Maybe as a stunt?

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I owned a Jr carbine in 9mm for a time and enjoyed it. The charging handle is a bit cheesy and needs lock tight I found . Another thing is for how dirty a blowback gets the takedown of the jr was kind of involved. Other than that it was great, very realiable and 3-4 Moa on average. Yeah I wouldn't go deer hunting with it, but I surely wouldn't hesitate to take a good shot within 100 yards. I took more hares and grouse in two seasons with it than with anything else I own, to me it just doesn't make sense how one can say it's no good for hunting, i guess 17hmr, 22lr , 22wmr are no good?
 
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