Is a .444 sutiable for deer/moose/elk?

Is any jacketed .429 bullet satisfactory for this cartridge? I've been doing my best searching but am unsure what bullet manufacture one should purchase.

Are they not, as I read, essentially a .44 magnum bullet?

Why is the brass shorter in the picture above of the 1st cartridge?

Twist

You can use any .429 bullet (.44 Mag bullets) but they may not be satisfactory. The .444 Marlin is sending that bullet several hundred fps faster then it was intended in the .44 Mag and the bullet may fall apart on impact. The 265gr Hornady IL was designed for the .444 Marlin and is one of the best for that cartridge. The heavier 300 gr bullets, especially the Speer 300gr Unicor are also good bullets for the Marlin.

The shorter brass in the picture is one loaded with the long 265gr Leverevolution bullet. The bullet is so long that the brass has to be trimmed shorter to keep the proper COAL.

Marlinownersdotcom has an entire section devoted to the .444 Marlin and bullet tests.
 
Yes check out marlin owners . com

As stated the FTX brass is shorter to accommodate the long bullet however it can still be reloaded. Hornady dies are set up for short brass or you can modify any die set. I reload Lee 310 Cast bullets in the short brass with great results
 
Will they shoot the Hornady /Partitions or Speer 300gr Gold Dots?Better yet........Harold

I knew I had a picture somewhere. This is a 6 shot group of 3 rounds loaded with the Hornady 300gr XTP and 3 rounds loaded with the Speer 300gr Unicor at 100 yds, same point of impact. Yes, one slipped a bit high.

 
One "issue" I have with modern hunting is the we tend to use waaayyyyy too much gun. Hundreds of thousands of moose were cleanly and humanely dropped with 30-30's, even 44-40's. It's all about bullet placement, although modern, quality, bullets help ensure consistent expansion and weight retention once hit.

Way back when, my wife killed a huge cow moose at 220 paces with an AK-47. Three shots in the lungs did the trick. I can't remember if it was a through and through, but there was a good blood trail. The 444 is an excellent choice, out to 200 yards. But if you're gong to use it past 100, I'd practice range estimation (fairly easy to do) as you will likely get over a foot of drop at 200. My 45-70, with Lever Evolutions drops about 11". Still plenty of power to kill, but you have to compensate.
 
One "issue" I have with modern hunting is the we tend to use waaayyyyy too much gun. Hundreds of thousands of moose were cleanly and humanely dropped with 30-30's, even 44-40's. It's all about bullet placement, although modern, quality, bullets help ensure consistent expansion and weight retention once hit.

Way back when, my wife killed a huge cow moose at 220 paces with an AK-47. Three shots in the lungs did the trick. I can't remember if it was a through and through, but there was a good blood trail. The 444 is an excellent choice, out to 200 yards. But if you're gong to use it past 100, I'd practice range estimation (fairly easy to do) as you will likely get over a foot of drop at 200. My 45-70, with Lever Evolutions drops about 11". Still plenty of power to kill, but you have to compensate.

Papaclaude: agree with you that for direct, clear shots moose & bear, aside from thin skinned like deer, can be readily harvested cleanly with smaller caliber firearms (.243, .270Win, etc.) at longer ranges with the higher velocity rounds, the circumstances which may dictate a heavier projectile include hunting in heavy brush at medium yardages. The heavier bullets from the 45/70, 444 Marlin, 450 Marlin, etc, using the "Express" straight walled cartridge generally tend to be slower velocities (2,000 FPS +/- a couple of hundred FPS), and the increased mass of the bullets combined with those slower velocities reduce deflection from small branches, brush, etc.

I have examples in the safe of most of the common calibers (.308, .270, 30-06, 6.5X55) and will use those as required for longer yardages (a lot rarer in Ontario than on the prairies, for instance, but still present). Most of my hunting is done not too far from the Ottawa Valley, in extremely heavy brush. I have seen my hunting buddies (many of whom I would class as good shots, better than me) using their .308's and 30-06's have their shots not impact POA or even close, turning out to have contacted a small branch or even a twig on the way down range, and moving the POI by quite a bit.

On the other hand, I have also had my 444 Marlin using 265 Gr Hornady's go clean through small "lumber" and carry on quite a few more yards to drop a deer in its tracks hitting dead on POA with no deflection whatsoever. The black bear I got a couple of years ago was also, as bears are prone to do, wandering around brush you might be tempted to use a machete to clear to walk through - and in cases like those I definitely treasure the 444 - clean shots, excellent sightlines to the animal for safety, but with a lot of brush between muzzle and POI.

Like hammers - sometimes you gotta use the big boy, other times a plastic hammer will do. With the 444 in my case, I've never had to take more than one shot.

O.N.G.
 
Bullet drop at 200 yards should be +/- 3" low with both the factory Remington 240g soft point and the Hornady 265g FTX when zeroed 2-3" high at 100 yards. I've had those kind of results at the range with my 22" barreled Marlin using the Hornady 265g but have not yet shot the Remington 240g at 200 yds. I also found that with my rifle zeroed 2' high at 100 yds using the Hornady 265g, the Remington 240g shot about 4" high (2" higher). From manufacturer's posted data I believe that the energy of both is sufficient for deer out to 200 yds, however, for larger game like moose, sufficient energy becomes an issue at 200 yards with the 240g Remington (just over 1000 ft lbs) but less so with the Hornady 265g FTX (just over 1600 ft lbs). I would use the 444 Marlin up to 200 yds for moose with the Hornady 265g, however, I have rifles in what I consider to be more efficient 200/250 yard moose calibres. For me the 444 Marlin is an excellent deer rifle out to 200 yds, accurate and fun to shoot.
 
The .444 is an amazing moose rifle. The furthest that I have shot moose is just a hair under 200 yards. My go-to load was a 300 grain Speer SP loaded to 2100 fps+. In most cases is was DRT for moose. I would use that load on anything in North America with utmost confidence.
 
In post #8, the Hornady 265gr bullet I made reference to is their FP. Also as bcsteve pointed out in post #21, the brass used with the 265gr Levervolution bullet is a little shorter to compensate for the longer bullet length so as to stay within a maximum C.O.A.L.. A similar set of circumstances is evident in a bullet of a similar design, used in some of their .45-70 ammo. With these relatively recently designed bullets, this is a must, especially when used in Marlins.
 
I have absolutely no interest in the 444 Marlin other than I use the excellent brass for my wildcats I do have/shoot 4 different 45-70's though

Same as I shoot 45 Colt and 454 Casull and don't have an interest in having or shooting a 44mag.

Something about big heavy bullets just does something for me. :)
 
I have absolutely no interest in the 444 Marlin other than I use the excellent brass for my wildcats I do have/shoot 4 different 45-70's though

Same as I shoot 45 Colt and 454 Casull and don't have an interest in having or shooting a 44mag.

Something about big heavy bullets just does something for me. :)

My kind of thinking - although I just picked up a nifty little 44 carbine. I really wanted to get my hands on a 50-95 lever gun, but no one had any brass for them when they were available. But there is something very satisfying about hurling an ounce of lead. Critters don't tend to agree, though.
 
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