CZ527 Carbine first impressions

Boomer said:
While I appreciate a good trigger, I dislike set triggers in general, and double set triggers in particular; despite admiring the appearance of the old Brno Fox and 21H. Buffalo Newton Rifles probably had the best designed set triggers, the front trigger was the set, and was curved opposite to the live trigger, so your trigger finger just pushed it forward to the set position, and no change of grip was required. Some Newton rifles did have conventional double set triggers. To my way of thinking the trigger should be manageable from shot to shot without any change in weight or feel; a snap shot or a precision shot should feel exactly the same, and should never require you to adjust your shooting grip. A trigger must be light enough, but a trigger that goes before you can feel your finger's contact is no more desirable in practical shooting than one so heavy that it induces tremor. The 527's trigger can be adjusted to a light weight break, that is entirely suitable for practical shooting, by simply adjusting out the set feature when you set up the trigger. It will not be gritty, and it can be adjusted to be free of creep and over-travel.

Of course that's just me, and lots of fellas seem to do well with their set trigger rifles.
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This is very interesting Boomer.

Do you adjust the cz527 non-set position to the weight you want ...... which I'm guessing automatically adjusts the set position to be inoperable ?

If this is the case what happens when you place it in the set position ? Does the set trigger simply not fire (ideal if it didn't go into the set position at all) or does it take nothing to fire (scary dangerous)?

Appreciate the idea. I too would rather have one trigger setting and position adjusted to where I want it to be.
 
madashell said:
This is very interesting Boomer.

Do you adjust the cz527 non-set position to the weight you want ...... which I'm guessing automatically adjusts the set position to be inoperable ?

If this is the case what happens when you place it in the set position ? Does the set trigger simply not fire (ideal if it didn't go into the set position at all) or does it take nothing to fire (scary dangerous)?

Appreciate the idea. I too would rather have one trigger setting and position adjusted to where I want it to be.
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Here is a diagram of the CZ 527 trigger . . .


Note there are 4 adjustment screws:
A) trigger pull weight adjustment
B) trigger creep (sear engagement) adjustment
C) trigger over travel adjustment
D) set trigger engagement

The live trigger is set independently of the set trigger. The engagement and weight of adjustment of the set trigger is controlled by screw "D". This screw also allows the set trigger to be deactivated.

I hope this answers your question.
 
Boomer said:
Here is a diagram of the CZ 527 trigger . . .


Note there are 4 adjustment screws:
A) trigger pull weight adjustment
B) trigger creep (sear engagement) adjustment
C) trigger over travel adjustment
D) set trigger engagement

The live trigger is set independently of the set trigger. The engagement and weight of adjustment of the set trigger is controlled by screw "D". This screw also allows the set trigger to be deactivated.

I hope this answers your question.
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Oh ... I got now. Thanks Boomer, appreciate the clarification.
 
only in North America would there be a discussion of how to disable a single set trigger. Simply do not engage it if you don't like it or sell the gun to those that appreciate it's use.
 
Brian46 said:
only in North America would there be a discussion of how to disable a single set trigger. Simply do not engage it if you don't like it or sell the gun to those that appreciate it's use.
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Simple ..

If I'm getting this correctly ... you adjust the main trigger pull low enough it also drops the set trigger into the ounces range (or are they 100% independent settings ? Don't believe so, but could be misunderstanding). . That's insanely low for a field rifle. I'd rather eliminate that for field use vs not using it.

Also, Bommer's point on changing grip angle is very important. I feel same about that.
 
No, the set trigger adjustment screw is turned out to prevent the set trigger from engaging at all. But why bother? Just don't use it. Pushing the trigger forward to set it is something you need to consciously do...it will never happen by accident. So just don't do it.

I don't like most of the music choices available in my area on radio. I suppose I could have the unit removed from my truck...but instead I just don't turn it on. :)
 
jjohnwm said:
No, the set trigger adjustment screw is turned out to prevent the set trigger from engaging at all. But why bother? Just don't use it. Pushing the trigger forward to set it is something you need to consciously do...it will never happen by accident. So just don't do it.

I don't like most of the music choices available in my area on radio. I suppose I could have the unit removed from my truck...but instead I just don't turn it on. :)
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So you can set the weight of each trigger setting to exactly what you want ? I thought the reduced main setting ALSO reduced the set trigger setting but the set trigger adjustment allowed a range to play with.

So this is clear:
From the factory the main trigger comes in at 5-ish pounds and the set trigger is 1-ish pounds. You can adjust the main trigger setting down to say 2.5-ish pounds yet retain the set trigger at 1-ish pounds ?

Maybe that M14 safety habit might kick in with the 527's trigger ...lol. Got your point.

As for the music example... the music industry is such garbage today I've often though about shooting my radio.
 
hometownhero said:
The set trigger weight has nothing to do with the non set trigger weight. When I had my 527 the normal was 2-3#'s and set was ounces
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I guess it's all the guys adjusting the set trigger down to ounces that was throwing me off and it sounded like one influenced the other. Can't see ever using ounces in the field.

Sorry for the hijack OP. Just gathering as much info about this rifle as possible since it's on my list !
 
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Boomer said:
While I appreciate a good trigger, I dislike set triggers in general, and double set triggers in particular; despite admiring the appearance of the old Brno Fox and 21H. Buffalo Newton Rifles probably had the best designed set triggers, the front trigger was the set, and was curved opposite to the live trigger, so your trigger finger just pushed it forward to the set position, and no change of grip was required. Some Newton rifles did have conventional double set triggers. To my way of thinking the trigger should be manageable from shot to shot without any change in weight or feel; a snap shot or a precision shot should feel exactly the same, and should never require you to adjust your shooting grip. A trigger must be light enough, but a trigger that goes before you can feel your finger's contact is no more desirable in practical shooting than one so heavy that it induces tremor. The 527's trigger can be adjusted to a light weight break, that is entirely suitable for practical shooting, by simply adjusting out the set feature when you set up the trigger. It will not be gritty, and it can be adjusted to be free of creep and over-travel.

Of course that's just me, and lots of fellas seem to do well with their set trigger rifles.
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I have a Brno Fox in .222 and don't care much for the set trigger setup, since the "normal position" (rear) trigger sets the front trigger, which is harder to reach. I'd prefer a nice clean single trigger to this, or, as you say, one where the front trigger is pushed forward to set the rear one.
 
I cant abide double triggers, I use too many different rifles that even the reversed safety on the CZ527 is decidedly odd, took me ages to get used to it!
When I go hill stalking I spend a day with the rifle beforehand getting reacquainted with its little characteristics and niggles, saves ages when you know where the safety is without having to look!
 
If money is no object there is a company that makes an aftermarket Win 70 style wing safety...........Harold
 
If you ever find yourself using corrosive in it, be sure you boil off the bolt face as well... I found that a funnel with a flexible spout was necessary to clean out the bore...

Other than that, it's a great little gun... I'd love to get one in 17 fireball as well...
 
mbogo3 said:
If money is no object there is a company that makes an aftermarket Win 70 style wing safety...........Harold
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The reversed safety on the 527 can be swapped out for a "regular" safety ? Do you have a link? This would be an awesome mod. One of the only features on this model I don't like.
 
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