Savage Axis negativity?

So, all you .3 to .6 MOA Axis owners, why aren't you listed in underthegun's thread? You know, the one where your rifle can actually print 5 groups sub MOA?

I am with Doug on this topic, firmly, get a quality rifle from tradex where you don't have to spend $$ on a better stock, more $$ on a trigger, and Mickey Mouse around with rings to mount a decent scope. You'll spend less, and have much much more.
 
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A couple improvements on the Axle will get you easily into an S2 on either of the last two deals.
The Blaze or Bonz.
By far a better choice.
I did the Stevens 200 for my daughter and with the trigger and stock replacements, heck a Ruger
77 would of easily been on line for price.
 
Sounds like 90% of sks owners as well. But as far as the axis goes, I would step up to the 11/111 series for not much more imo. The only axis I shot I had to check that actually threw the safety off the damn trigger was so heavy. Hit what I was aiming at and in the end that's all that matters. function over form all the way.
I will be honest.... What I see from Axxis owners are, for the most part, new hunters that bought their first rifle and then were so enthused they passed their PAL and got their first gun then went on line and joined the forum.... then they find it hard to accept that there are many other better options in the price range....

Again, if it is all you can afford and need it to get you into the woods, do it....
 
Sounds like 90% of sks owners as well. But as far as the axis goes, I would step up to the 11/111 series for not much more imo. The only axis I shot I had to check that actually threw the safety off the damn trigger was so heavy. Hit what I was aiming at and in the end that's all that matters. function over form all the way.

Agreed....
 
I will be honest.... What I see from Axxis owners are, for the most part, new hunters that bought their first rifle and then were so enthused they passed their PAL and got their first gun then went on line and joined the forum.... then they find it hard to accept that there are many other better options in the price range....

Again, if it is all you can afford and need it to get you into the woods, do it....

errrr.... no........it wasn't even close to the first rifle I bought, not by over 50 years and a couple of dozen guns (at least). I like it a lot & I've had no issues with it... just like I've had no issues with my BLR..... price was never the point. :)
 
errrr.... no........it wasn't even close to the first rifle I bought, not by over 50 years and a couple of dozen guns (at least). I like it a lot & I've had no issues with it... just like I've had no issues with my BLR..... price was never the point. :)

It was a general statement.... familiar with what you do, and surprised you would chose an axxis to do it..... but good for you!
 
I sell guns at work.

The Axis, Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot and 783 Rem have their niche spot in the market. They are marketed for the guy/gal 1) starting out that doesn't want to spend a bundle because they don't know if they will stick with it or 2) the guy/gal who can't afford to drop 800 or 1000 bucks on a rifle because they have to feed the kids, pay the bills, etc.

The Axis IS a gun and it shoots pretty well considering the price point. If accuracy is the sole measure then it's worth the same as a MK5 Weatherby.

Yes, the trigger is heavy. Yes, the bolt is a little sloppy. Yes, it has a "cheap" plastic stock. But lets get serious, it's (quite often) a sub-300 dollar rifle. A Rem 700 SPS stock is "barely better" and that's an 800 dollar rifle (and will be close to 1K in 2016 with our buck in the toilette).

I don't understand why guys start out saying "you have to change the trigger, change the stock, redo this or that" to the Axis.

If you can afford to do all that you shouldn't be buying an Axis in the first place. That's not what this gun was "made for" - it's an entry level gun meant to be used pretty much as it was built to allow someone who maybe couldn't get into the sport otherwise if their only choices were 700 Rems.

I have an Axis in 223. It sits beside my Remington's, Henry's, Weatherby's and Winchesters.

I bought it because it was on sale, on a day that you got a gift card if you spent over 200 bucks and Savage had a $50 (US) mail in rebate on the go and I "didn't have a 223".

I clipped the trigger spring which made it "usable" - no, not a target trigger, but more than "functional" and I pulled the recoil pad and foamed the butt stock with spray foam to stiffen it up a little and take away that irritating hollow sound.

So for $5 worth of modifications and 10 minutes of my time, my $250 rifle (which ultimately cost $190 when I got the cheque from Savage) is now "improved".

If I was willing to spend 150 bucks on a new trigger I would have bought a model 11 instead of the Axis.

If I was willing to spend 200 on a Boyds stock then I would have bought a model 11 "thumbhole" instead of the Axis.

And it shoots "just fine" - certainly as accurate as anything out there costing 3 or 4 times as much.
 
I sell guns at work.

The Axis, Ruger American, Mossberg Patriot and 783 Rem have their niche spot in the market. They are marketed for the guy/gal 1) starting out that doesn't want to spend a bundle because they don't know if they will stick with it or 2) the guy/gal who can't afford to drop 800 or 1000 bucks on a rifle because they have to feed the kids, pay the bills, etc.

The Axis IS a gun and it shoots pretty well considering the price point. If accuracy is the sole measure then it's worth the same as a MK5 Weatherby.

Yes, the trigger is heavy. Yes, the bolt is a little sloppy. Yes, it has a "cheap" plastic stock. But lets get serious, it's (quite often) a sub-300 dollar rifle. A Rem 700 SPS stock is "barely better" and that's an 800 dollar rifle (and will be close to 1K in 2016 with our buck in the toilette).

I don't understand why guys start out saying "you have to change the trigger, change the stock, redo this or that" to the Axis.

If you can afford to do all that you shouldn't be buying an Axis in the first place. That's not what this gun was "made for" - it's an entry level gun meant to be used pretty much as it was built to allow someone who maybe couldn't get into the sport otherwise if their only choices were 700 Rems.

I have an Axis in 223. It sits beside my Remington's, Henry's, Weatherby's and Winchesters.

I bought it because it was on sale, on a day that you got a gift card if you spent over 200 bucks and Savage had a $50 (US) mail in rebate on the go and I "didn't have a 223".

I clipped the trigger spring which made it "usable" - no, not a target trigger, but more than "functional" and I pulled the recoil pad and foamed the butt stock with spray foam to stiffen it up a little and take away that irritating hollow sound.

So for $5 worth of modifications and 10 minutes of my time, my $250 rifle (which ultimately cost $190 when I got the cheque from Savage) is now "improved".

If I was willing to spend 150 bucks on a new trigger I would have bought a model 11 instead of the Axis.

If I was willing to spend 200 on a Boyds stock then I would have bought a model 11 "thumbhole" instead of the Axis.

And it shoots "just fine" - certainly as accurate as anything out there costing 3 or 4 times as much.
As the saying goes you "Nailed it". Excellent post.
 
Never pictured someone named "sk8er" being over 50 lol.

I was still playing when I was over 50 - all the way to Provincial championships - ".. you don't stop playing because you get old... you get old because you stop playing...."

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That was my last season, though..... :(

Back to the topic...... I like my Axis...... ;)
 
A common theme throughout this thread is rifle accuracy, and while worthy of attention, it's importance is often overstated in a big game rifle performance when compared to other considerations. But let's disregard that for a moment and consider accuracy; the guys who seem to be most enthused with the accuracy of their Axis rifles are those who own one in .223, but how accurate is the Axis when chambered in .270, .308, or .30/06? To call the one's I've seen 2 minute rifles, would be charitable, and while sufficient for the application, it takes some of the shine off the premise that an Axis will shoot with a $3000 rifle.

The argument that one shouldn't attempt to improve the rifle he owns rings hollow. For example, upon purchasing the rifle, hopefully with a quality scope, decent mounts, and a sturdy sling, its then to the owner's detriment if he fails to manipulate the stock to fit him, whether by cutting the stock, or adding spacers to it. If you own an Axis because its what you can afford, a few months following the purchase of the rifle, you can probably afford a trigger upgrade. Snipping the spring will indeed make the trigger weight lighter, it can also make it unreliable, and does nothing for creep, over travel, or smoothness. The expenditure of $150 so you can appreciate the accuracy potential of your rifle is money well spent. Next to gun fit, a good trigger is the single most important element towards achieving good marksmanship, which should not be confused with rifle accuracy. Then when once again you have a bit of spare cash to invest in your rifle, you can purchase a stock stabilizing kit from Nathan Foster, and stiffen up the stock, then glass bed it. This will prove beneficial particularly if your Axis is chambered for a big game cartridge, allowing your .30/06 to shoot just a bit better, but more importantly, so it consistently makes 1.25-1.50 MAO groups, rather than just tease you with a nice group once in a while. Now that's an improvement you can use, which in turn improves your confidence.

The greatest cost facing any rifleman is the cost of ammunition. To get the most out of the shooting dollar, handloading spreads price of brass, which is the most expensive component, out over numerous firings. So after making the improvements to his rifle, that allow him to exploit it's potential, and in turn produces a pride of ownership in his rifle, a modest handloading outfit might allow our hero to fire 100 rounds rather than just 20 on each outing. A daily 15-30 minute regimen of dry firing at home will hone his attention to the basics of natural point of aim, position, breathing, sighting, and trigger control, while his occasional live fire outings will, provided he is honest in his self criticism, emphasize the benefits he's acquired from his dry fire practice and point out the areas that need improvement. Here is where consistent performance from the rifle is important, without consistency, the novice rifleman won't recognize his improvement, he will become discouraged believing the failures to be his own, and he will rapidly lose interest in shooting.
 
While I like savage I regretted ever buying one. The trigger was deplorable. I know when I got mine it was new on the market and aftermarket parts were not available yet understandably. However the same price point I picked up a ruger American and it's 10 times better
 
Like I said earlier, if rifles like the axis get people started in the shooting sports,they've done their job in my books. We live in an economic and tax structure that isn't set up so most people can have their toys. It is set up so most will die still wanting them.Realty is, a lot of people just can't afford to spend big money on their hobbies and that is unfortunate. I am not going to fault them for that. I am just glad there is gear priced so they can participate. I think my next rifle might be a Kimber but I have no problem telling you my first one wasn't!
 
That's a depressing take on life, which IMHO lacks vision as well as optimism.

I concur....while I do agree that it's great that the axxis gets people out in the woods, I would also say that it provides an "out" for those of this generation that require instant gratification.... Don't want to work for or save for something better...
 
One thing I think the Axis has shown us is that accuracy is not expensive to manufacture. It's probably the cheapest feature to produce. Wait until they start hammer forging barrels.... Lol
 
People like to believe (and stores are supporting that misconception to boost the sales) that they are smarter than the others by spending as little as possible on things. Same principle applies to the firearms sale. I'm sick of morons claiming that the rifle with crap stock, plastic pillar bedding, rough action, crappy trigger, full of MIM parts and equipped in no name $50 scope is "as good as....". No it's not. It's as much quality as McDonald's food.
 
That's a depressing take on life, which IMHO lacks vision as well as optimism.
I guess most people wasn't the most accurate term. A lot of people would have fit better. I exclude myself some what from that because I can well afford my indulgences but that was not always the case. Fact is, there are some places in the country where the cost of living is so out of balance with wages, that many just can't afford extravagance, especially if they are raising a family.Also, when you take into account the percentage of people nationally who work in the retail and service industries(which traditionally don't pay very high wages) , you can understand why the lower cost gear is outselling the rest.
 
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