Enough is enough?

...For coyotes I think the 22 mag is alright up to 100 yards. Beside, coyotes are a pest so as long you place a good shot in the lungs area and that you know they are "finished" that's ok. For wolves, I would say no more than 50 yards.
 
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alexboybkk said:
...For coyotes I think the 22 mag is alright up to 100 yards. Beside, coyotes are a pest so as long you place a good shot in the lungs area and that you know they are "finished" that ok. For wolves, I would say no more than 50 yards.
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Just because something is a pest doesn't mean it shouldn't be harvested humanely...... Coyote don't know they are pests... They just go about coyote life doing coyote things.... Knock them down quick
 
Used my ancient Hiawatha bolt action 22LR for fox and coyotes as a kid. Killed a fair number of dogs and never lost one. I know way more about ballistics now, and own a good selection of bigger and faster cartridges, but I would not hesitate to do it again with that little 22. More than adequate for a wolf if you are in range and hit the right spot.
 
Superbrad said:
Just because something is a pest doesn't mean it shouldn't be harvested humanely...... Coyote don't know they are pests... They just go about coyote life doing coyote things.... Knock them down quick
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...I was sure someone would reply exactly that. I will explain again. If you shoot the coyote in the lungs/heart area, this is a very human shot placement and I very human kill. Just like the deers do, the coyote will run for 30 or 40 meters and collapse...dead! I took a course witn a trapper who have like 40 years experiences and he keep very precise notes of all the coyotes he killed. The heaviest one was ....37 pounds!! I do think that this is in the capacity of the 22 mag!
 
alexboybkk said:
...I was sure someone would reply exactly that. I will explain again. If you shoot it in the lungs/heart area, this is a very human shot placement and I very human kill. Just like we do with deers, the coyote will run for 30 or 40 meters and collapse...dead! I took a course witn a trapper who have like 40 years experiences and he keep very precise notes of all the coyotes he killed. The heaviest one was ....37 pounds!! I do think that this is in the capacity of the 22 mag!
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Agreed, the 22 mag works wonders on them. And many other critters big and small.
 
My thoughts would be, varmit hunting on the edge of suburbia....aka the revenge for fluffy. Low report and use against blatant pet killers, without getting swatted. Would i use one on purpose in a true bush situation, when i have three others that could do the job better. Would i use it against a wolf....not intentionally. What is the saying....twice a long rifle...half a hornet. Hornet as minimum....and that to max of 200.
 
alexboybkk said:
...I was sure someone would reply exactly that. I will explain again. If you shoot the coyote in the lungs/heart area, this is a very human shot placement and I very human kill. Just like the deers do, the coyote will run for 30 or 40 meters and collapse...dead! I took a course witn a trapper who have like 40 years experiences and he keep very precise notes of all the coyotes he killed. The heaviest one was ....37 pounds!! I do think that this is in the capacity of the 22 mag!
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With all due respect, I have my trappers license.... Nothing about trapping requires a 100 - 200 yard shot as op stated and as I am sure you learned on your course..... I carry a savage rascal to put down anything in my traps...... Very different situation

The OP had nothing to do with trapping and everything to do with a 100 - 200 yard shot....... A 22mag at that distance carries the energy of a lathargic porcupine and offers the trajectory of a falling safe... certainly not a coyote caliber and out of the question for Wolves.....
 
nowarningshot said:
My thoughts would be, varmit hunting on the edge of suburbia....aka the revenge for fluffy. Low report and use against blatant pet killers, without getting swatted. Would i use one on purpose in a true bush situation, when i have three others that could do the job better. Would i use it against a wolf....not intentionally. What is the saying....twice a long rifle...half a hornet. Hornet as minimum....and that to max of 200.
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...I agree with many things you say. I would like to mention that "we" or at least "me" do not like to uses cannons when we dispatch pest on a farm with nearby habitations. A 22-250 for example have a loud report and a very long range which is not what we want near habitations. When the rifles shots are too loud, it attract unwanted attention and some people complains. Last week, I got a coyote for a farmer know on his land with only my .22LR. The coyote did not suffer and died quickly. I went to see the farmer yesterday and he did not know about it. He did not even know I was there!
 
Coyotes can be tough to kill. Two years ago a doe deer walked by my deer stand about 35 yds out. A minute or so later a big female coyote followed with her nose to the ground. I shot it low behind the shoulder with my 35 Whelan using a Rem 200 gr bullet. The canine managed to make it about 20 yds into the brush before succumbing. There was a hole on the off side about the size of my fist. As I say, tough little buggers. Several years ago, before AR 15s were banned for hunting, I shot several coyotes with my old Colt (no forward assist). I always used Rem 55 gr SP ammo and made quite a few one shot kills. However, only a couple or so dropped in their tracks. I would recommend as a minimum any heavy hitting 22 center fire gun. Here in NB we are restricted to a max 22 cal on our varmint license. So far, I have not found any 22 mag rifle that met my standard for accuracy from a factory rifle.
 
Killing isn't a problem, but you're going to shorten that range up. Nope the problem isn't so much the killing, because a solid heart lung shot with a little .22 LR on trapped and snared coyotes tip it over in a second or two. The issue is that you likely won't ever see the stupid thing again. Do you know how far a non-bleeding, non hoofed and prone to hiding dog can go in a few seconds?
 
Superbrad said:
With all due respect, I have my trappers license.... Nothing about trapping requires a 100 - 200 yard shot as op stated and as I am sure you learned on your course..... I carry a savage rascal to put down anything in my traps...... Very different situation

The OP had nothing to do with trapping and everything to do with a 100 - 200 yard shot....... A 22mag at that distance carries the energy of a lathargic porcupine and offers the trajectory of a falling safe... certainly not a coyote caliber and out of the question for Wolves.....
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...you have a good point about the long distance. I missed that. I am a trapper too and I dispatch everything with a .22 LR regular velocity bullets. For coyotes at 200 yards it is right that the 22 mag is marginal. For wolves, even more marginal. At 100 yards, I would still use it for a while and if I would fine it lacking I would swicht to the .223.
 
Thankyou. I was just wondering because a buddy got a call and was wanting to do a coupke of stands. I have a .308 and 30.06 but no scope. But i have a scope on my 22mag. I was just asking. Maybe down the rd i will get a .224 or .243
 
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Killing isn't a problem, but you're going to shorten that range up. Nope the problem isn't so much the killing, because a solid heart lung shot with a little .22 LR on trapped and snared coyotes tip it over in a second or two. The issue is that you likely won't ever see the stupid thing again. Do you know how far a non-bleeding, non hoofed and prone to hiding dog can go in a few seconds?
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If I shoot a coyote with a 22 mag and I never see him again, I accept that. After all, I do not eat them. The only thing is, if I want to keep the fur, then I would feel a bit sorry but not more than that. Talking about wanting the save the fur, one time, I shot a coyote at about 30 yards with my .270 win, 140 grain bullet from the front end and the coyote's fur was unuseable after that.
 
moose1987 said:
Thankyou. I was just wondering because a buddy got a call and was wanting to do a coupke of stands. I have a .308 and 30.06 but no scope. But i have a scope on my 22mag. I was just asking. Maybe down the rd i will get a .224 or .243
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Iron sights will do at >200 yards.
 
alexboybkk said:
If I shoot a coyote with a 22 mag and I never see him again, I accept that. After all, I do not eat them. The only thing is, if I want to keep the fur, then I would feel a bit sorry but not more than that. Talking about wanting the save the fur, one time, I shot a coyote at about 30 yards with my .270 win, 140 grain bullet from the front end and the coyote's fur was unuseable after that.
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I don't accept that. I want all the animals I shoot to die quickly. I want to make sure they do. If I wound one, I follow it up to make sure it is dead. If I have to, I track it until it is found and then kill it, but I never just accept that some animal I shot is out there in pain, perhaps going to die, some time, in agony. No one should "accept" that possibility, and everyone should do all he can to prevent it.
 
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I don't accept that. I want all the animals I shoot to die quickly. I want to make sure they do. If I wound one, I follow it up to make sure it is dead. If I have to, I track it until it is found and then kill it, but I never just accept that some animal I shot is out there in pain, perhaps going to die, some time, in agony. No one should "accept" that possibility, and everyone should do all he can to prevent it.
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Like you say...this is a possibility and we should do all we can do to prevent it. Nevertheless, it will happen sometime weather we want it or not. For example, I do not accept that so many people are killed by wars and famines. But, I do not do all I can to stop it because I have a wife and kid, meager financials means and very little power to control what is happening in places like in Syria, Iran, Irak etc. Thus, for the same reason, if I have been searching for a wounded animal for 2 days in the rain or snow, and, it is night and I know my wife and kids need me at home and worry about me; I will choose my family before any animal and return to them safely and in time.
 
Coyotes can be hardy! I shot one Monday morning. Running straight away from me at about 60-80 yards. 22-250 with 45 gr JHP at an advertised 4000 fps muzzle velocity. I placed the crosshairs where the neck and shoulders meet and squeezed off. He instantly somersaulted and came to a stop doing that stiff leg in the air thing they do. There was a mandarin orange sized hole under the ear. I walked over to pick it up and it looked at me as I reached for the back legs. It was still alive!!! It expired a few seconds later but just shows how resilient they can be!!
 
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