CZ 452 vs 455 in 22lr
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455 vs 452 eh?
How do the new iron sights on the 455 lux compare to the irons on the 452 lux? I really think it would be need to have an AK / VZ style iron sight with pre-set elevations. I just wonder if they are actually calibrated well considering the variation in .22 ammo velocity.
Second question before I jump on the CZ band wagon: are there any high quality QD scope mounts for the 455? I would get the lux because I like irons and it would be nice to quickly and easily be able to throw on a scope.
How do the new iron sights on the 455 lux compare to the irons on the 452 lux? I really think it would be need to have an AK / VZ style iron sight with pre-set elevations. I just wonder if they are actually calibrated well considering the variation in .22 ammo velocity.
Second question before I jump on the CZ band wagon: are there any high quality QD scope mounts for the 455? I would get the lux because I like irons and it would be nice to quickly and easily be able to throw on a scope.
Can't offer much as to the difference in accuracy, but I do own 6 455's, 3 Canadians and 3 Americans, one each in .17, .22, and .22WMR. The barrel interchange feature might be okay in some circumstances, I will likely never know from my own experience. I own one 452, a FS .22. I might have to scoop a 455 FS to keep it company. My gun buying policy changes from day to day. 
The point made above about 452's becoming scarce is, however, something to consider. If you think you might want one, don't doodle. If you buy one then find a nicer one, keep both or sell one. Simple as that.
The point made above about 452's becoming scarce is, however, something to consider. If you think you might want one, don't doodle. If you buy one then find a nicer one, keep both or sell one. Simple as that.
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Warne QD rings are endorsed by many CZ shooters over on Rimfire Central.
See http://warnescopemounts.com/product-category/rings/quick-detach/
The qd on that page are for a rail. Get the 11mm rings and you are good to go. You need to look at 22 rings on the site.
Keep in mind that i think the qd for 30mm isn't in production yet phone them to confirm.
I have 3 sets of Warne qd on 455's and they have all got bolt clearance in the high ring option.
This is all I found but a free phone call will update the status for you.
http://warnescopemounts.com/product-category/rings/rimfire/
R
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Sorry. You are correct and have the right link. The Warne QD are supposed to be good rings that will go on the 11mm dovetails that are on all CZ455 models. The CZ452/453 American has a 3/8" dovetail in .22LR, .22 WMR, and .17 HMR. The other CZ bolt actions that have 3/8" dovetail grooves are the CZ452/453 Varmint in .22 WMR and .17 HMR and the CZ452 FS in .22 WMR and .17 HMR. All other models have 11mm dovetail grooves.
One thing to consider if you're looking at the Lux. I was told by someone that should know that the lower comb on the Lux doesn't lend itself well to large scope use as compared to the American, particularly with a larger objective scope. I have a Nikon EFR Target 3-9 x 40 on my 455 American with not a lot of barrel clearance at the objective (or ocular end with the bolt handle), I wouldn't want the comb any lower than it already is.
I guess the message is, you MAY have to add a cheek pad to the Lux if you use it with a larger diameter scope.
I have an old Vostok TOZ 17-01 with the "calibrated" ramp sight. Whether the graduations are accurate or not is an interesting question, I've never shot that rifle past 50 yds with iron sights. I seem to remember filing the front sight pin down to "calibrate" the rear sight at 25 or 50 yds, though, so I can say it IS accurate at that point. It wears a scope 99% of the time, the upper portion of the ramp rear sight is easily removable to make room. The rifle itself is scary accurate for what it is, a crude USSR vintage example of how the Soviets made rifles. The only thing they didn't cut corners on was making them accurate.
I have the sister to your brother........
from what I could gather at the time was that the classic was a relabeled american for Canadian export, those to the south of us don't even know it exists. Mine is a real tack driver, it has had 2 stock swaps, multiple scopes over the years and I also fitted that yodave trigger kit and striker spring.
The large scope not working on the hog back style stock is a misconception. I have rather large scopes on my 452's. Lux, Ultra Lux and FS all have the scope above the rear sight. Had to put higher rings on the Evo Scout to get a good sight picture. Depends on personal features and how you hold the gun. Was shooting and swapping guns with a couple last week. They had a 455 THV and a 455 Canadian. They were surprised that they shot my guns better than theirs. Not having to push into the stock makes it easier. I also didn't do too well with their low scopes and high combs. Would like to hear some opinions from those who've actually tried. If the myth of the scope having to be as close as possible to the barrel holds true then the AR shooters with optics must be out of luck. Starting the new year with a bang, let the flaming begin.
MB, now you did it!!!!
I like to mount my scopes low for hunting/offhand shooting but not too low to make it uncomfortable. It all depends on the stock configuration and the purpose. If I only shot off the bench all the time or targets/silhouette off hand at known distance I would probably mount my scope little higher. Here are some scope/cz/rings combinations that I use.
purpose; rifle; scope; rings; CZ dovetail to the bottom of the scope; Scope height over barrel C/L);
Target; CZ 452 American; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Leupold Rimfire 13mm Medium (49947); 0.375; 1.375;
Hunt/Target; CZ 452 American; Leupold VX-2 3-9x33 AO; Leupold Rimfire 13mm Medium (49947); 0.375; 1.375;
Hunt; CZ 452 LUX/FS; Leupold VX-1 2-7x28 Rimfire; Burris Rimfire/Airgun Rings Medium (420069); 0.310; 1.310;
Hunt/Target; CZ 452 Scout 22LR; Leupold VXi 2-7x28 Rimfire; Burris Rimfire/Airgun Rings Medium (420069); 0.310; 1.310;
Target; CZ 452 Silhouette; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Warne 7.3/22 Medium; 0.455; 1.455;
Target; CZ 452 Silhouette; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Burris Sign Zee Med (420521)+J&P 11mm add; 0.485; 1.485;
Hunt; CZ 512 22 WMR; Nikon Prostaff Rim 3-9x40; Talley 1" CZ Rimfire Rings (Low) 22CZRL ; 0.340; 1.538;
The Excel table unfortunately didn't copy over very well, I hope it is clear enough to figure out.
Kody
I like to mount my scopes low for hunting/offhand shooting but not too low to make it uncomfortable. It all depends on the stock configuration and the purpose. If I only shot off the bench all the time or targets/silhouette off hand at known distance I would probably mount my scope little higher. Here are some scope/cz/rings combinations that I use.
purpose; rifle; scope; rings; CZ dovetail to the bottom of the scope; Scope height over barrel C/L);
Target; CZ 452 American; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Leupold Rimfire 13mm Medium (49947); 0.375; 1.375;
Hunt/Target; CZ 452 American; Leupold VX-2 3-9x33 AO; Leupold Rimfire 13mm Medium (49947); 0.375; 1.375;
Hunt; CZ 452 LUX/FS; Leupold VX-1 2-7x28 Rimfire; Burris Rimfire/Airgun Rings Medium (420069); 0.310; 1.310;
Hunt/Target; CZ 452 Scout 22LR; Leupold VXi 2-7x28 Rimfire; Burris Rimfire/Airgun Rings Medium (420069); 0.310; 1.310;
Target; CZ 452 Silhouette; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Warne 7.3/22 Medium; 0.455; 1.455;
Target; CZ 452 Silhouette; Leupold VX-2 6-18x40 AO; Burris Sign Zee Med (420521)+J&P 11mm add; 0.485; 1.485;
Hunt; CZ 512 22 WMR; Nikon Prostaff Rim 3-9x40; Talley 1" CZ Rimfire Rings (Low) 22CZRL ; 0.340; 1.538;
The Excel table unfortunately didn't copy over very well, I hope it is clear enough to figure out.
Kody
Good discussion! I'll try to get a few measurements/pics of my 455 American for comparison. Seems a lot more people have trouble getting bolt clearance than barrel clearance. I used a set of dovetail adapters to mount my scope, the rings are Weaver centre fire, medium height I believe. Facial features play a large factor in gun fit, no arguments from me on that point.
I don't see a huge issue with scope height accuracy-wise, as long as the rifle isn't canted. If it is, the higher the scope the more horizontal error you're going to have as the gun moves out to the sides from under the scope.
I don't see a huge issue with scope height accuracy-wise, as long as the rifle isn't canted. If it is, the higher the scope the more horizontal error you're going to have as the gun moves out to the sides from under the scope.
MB that's good
Min and Max bolt and objective clearance data might be interest to some but I didn't include it once I realized I couldn't just simply copy the spreadsheet into my post.
Add your spread sheet as an attachment
R
The issue with mounting a scope on the 452 Lux is the scope usually needs to clear the rear sight ramp. This requires extra high rings. I installed a PGW rail and then used extra low rings for picatinney bases. My VX-II 4-12x40 AO just clears the rear sight ramp but cheek weld is not the best. Has anybody removed the ramp and how difficult is that?
The ramp on 452 is easy to remove. Use a pencil eraser end or a dowel, push down at the front of the ramp while pulling to the rear. Don't lose the blade spring, it will slip out without being noticed, experience is a good teacher. Found mine in the rug after some frantic moments.
