M1 9mm reviews?

chiappa makes the 9mm.... they look like a m1... they are not an M1

they have this god awful heavy one piece bolt and oprod....
they jam, they aren't very accurate.
they don't feel like a m1 when firing

the only advantage is that they take 10 round pistol magazines.


auto ordnance makes a good m1 carbine remake. I own one, I like it more then my original M1 carbine.

I haven't heard to many bad things about the auto ordinance other then they are picky on the magazines... they will not run the 5/10 or 5/ 15 stick mags from corwin arms... I tried very hard to make 5 of them work and I ended up throwing all 5 mags out, those mags ran ok on the original m1 but by the time I was done messing with the feed lips (they seat to low in the AO) they were non functioning in the original and still would misfeed at least one round on the AO.
Using AO mags or K31 mags no issues at all.


this is a video review that is a pretty fair assessment of the chiappa

 
Well, I have a ton of 9mm and no firearm to put it through, I was thinking about getting one these seeing as its NR, but maybe I'll treat my self to a nice pistol for half the price
 
I had a Jr carbine but sold it, hence the reason for my surplus 9mm. But it seems to me that 9mm just isn't meant for a rifle round. It works best in a pistol. My opinion only.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
chiappa makes the 9mm.... they look like a m1... they are not an M1

they have this god awful heavy one piece bolt and oprod....
they jam, they aren't very accurate.
they don't feel like a m1 when firing

the only advantage is that they take 10 round pistol magazines.

this is a video review that is a pretty fair assessment of the chiappa

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I own one of these a chiappa m-9 and have several disagreements with this assessment and the video.

First up is the video mentions the action being blow-back - of course they are not going to replicate a real M1 action with a gas piston in 9mm. Suggesting to do so shows a real lack of knowledge of how firearms work. Blow-back is the obvious choice for a pistol caliber carbine. Did they execute it poorly? Perhaps that might be a valid argument, but the issue is the magazine angle in relation to the chamber, not the action.

Second is the video mentions no hold open - I'm guessing they are using an early model as mine and any of the others I've seen in Canada have the same hold open that the original M-1 has.

Third is price - mine was $380 tax in. Not sure where the guys are located in the video, but $500-700 for one is out to lunch.

Accuracy is an issue, but a lot of it has to do with the crapsastic trigger.

Doesn't feel like an M1? Well, they weigh the same, uses a near on dimensionally accurate stock and the 9mm blow-back recoil is slightly less than the .30 carbine gas system of the original.
I think for me the biggest issue for the 'feel' is the trigger sucks compared to my National Postal Meter M-1.
The obvious answer is if you really want an original, get one or a copy that fires .30 carbine.

While I agree with the assessment there can be issues with feeding and quality, these are priced accordingly.
If you are looking for complete reliability in a 9mm carbine, I think it is safe to say you should look elsewhere.
 
beltfed said:
I own one of these a chiappa m-9 and have several disagreements with this assessment and the video.

First up is the video mentions the action being blow-back - of course they are not going to replicate a real M1 action with a gas piston in 9mm. Suggesting to do so shows a real lack of knowledge of how firearms work. Blow-back is the obvious choice for a pistol caliber carbine. Did they execute it poorly? Perhaps that might be a valid argument, but the issue is the magazine angle in relation to the chamber, not the action.

Second is the video mentions no hold open - I'm guessing they are using an early model as mine and any of the others I've seen in Canada have the same hold open that the original M-1 has.

Third is price - mine was $380 tax in. Not sure where the guys are located in the video, but $500-700 for one is out to lunch.

Accuracy is an issue, but a lot of it has to do with the crapsastic trigger.

Doesn't feel like an M1? Well, they weigh the same, uses a near on dimensionally accurate stock and the 9mm blow-back recoil is slightly less than the .30 carbine gas system of the original.
I think for me the biggest issue for the 'feel' is the trigger sucks compared to my National Postal Meter M-1.
The obvious answer is if you really want an original, get one or a copy that fires .30 carbine.

While I agree with the assessment there can be issues with feeding and quality, these are priced accordingly.
If you are looking for complete reliability in a 9mm carbine, I think it is safe to say you should look elsewhere.
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when i fired one it was a whole different recoil then a m1.... and m1 is smooth low recoil, that chiappa felt like I had a giant version of a rumble pack in my hand that massive bolt group rocking back and forth was annoying as ####. that comparison to a slide hammer i found is very apt.

Chiappa does not list a bolt catch or hold back in either the parts list or in the exploded view diagram of the 9mm version and I've never seen one with a bolt hold open. Even cruising google I can't find a single example of a 9mm variant with a bolt hold open.

but does have it on the .22 version... so what gun are you talking about here?

as for the price

the Chiappa .22 version is $450 Canadian

The only canadian vendors I could find with them still listed sell the wood stock variant for $510

Cheaper then dirt list the M1-9 for $520 USD

almost all vendors have stopped carrying them (i wonder why)

sounds like you got your on a clear out sale.



EDIT I found one example.... in california and buddy paid $619 USD for it.
 
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I have one
it is accurate enough for the cheap ammo I use and it does not like low power ammo. Sights are a nice peep and I also added a small red dot to it.
It jams as it gets dirty after just about 300 rounds.
It has a manual lock pin to hold the bolt open, but it is not very good, so don't trust it if you will stick your finger in the action for whatever reason.
It does not hold open on last round.
For what I paid (350.00 used), I love it.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
Chiappa does not list a bolt catch or hold back in either the parts list or in the exploded view diagram of the 9mm version and I've never seen one with a bolt hold open. Even cruising google I can't find a single example of a 9mm variant with a bolt hold open.

but does have it on the .22 version... so what gun are you talking about here?
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Chiappa M1-9. It has the same hold open as a USGI M1 carbine.

LordEvilPepper said:
...sounds like you got your on a clear out sale.
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Nope, it was regular price just before the prices were increased this last spring. Mine has the plastic stock, so it was a little cheaper than the wood stocked model

MiniMe said:
It has a manual lock pin to hold the bolt open, but it is not very good, so don't trust it if you will stick your finger in the action for whatever reason.
It does not hold open on last round.
For what I paid (350.00 used), I love it.
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The USGI bolt does not hold open on the last round either, so the Chiappa model replicates it warts and all...

These things should be selling $350-400 new tops.
If they sorted out a propriatery mag or fixed the seating of the mag., I think all of the troubles with feeding would vapourize.
 
beltfed said:
Chiappa M1-9. It has the same hold open as a USGI M1 carbine.

These things should be selling $350-400 new tops.
If they sorted out a propriatery mag or fixed the seating of the mag., I think all of the troubles with feeding would vapourize.
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Agreed. The next one I find (for a fair price) I think I will buy and fix this issue.... just to prove it can be fixed.
 
if they use a proprietary mag.... then it has to be limited to 5 rounds

by using pistol mags, they signifigantly decrease there cost to manufacture and have to change nothing in the contents to ship to canada. switching to there own mag would increase the cost
 
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Crusader said:
Agreed. The next one I find (for a fair price) I think I will buy and fix this issue.... just to prove it can be fixed.
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What do you consider a fair price? Mine is a wood stocked one that I've given up on. Probably 4-5 FTF or FTE per mag. It's collecting dust.
 
Hi guys there two versions of the Chiappa M1-9. Early one has bolt hold open pin on the op rod later does not. Both of mine had rear sight issues (loose in the dovetail) but easily fixed. Both carbines work great with the magazine that came with it (has a red follower) and as they broke in, with the other makes of the Beretta 92 mag.

I bought a Auto Ordnance as well (used) and did not like the loose way the magazines fit in the magazine housing. So out came the AO trigger housing and in went a USGI one.Just like my Universal .30 Carbines. Problem solved. Man, I like the wood on the AO version.
 
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man i didn't even think of buying a usgi triger group to fix the mag issues, that brilliant.


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I wonder if you could just change the mag catch out? as the magazine sitting to low is the issue
 
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Sure, worth a try. I'll check mine tonight and see if a usgi one will fit. Expecting it too. Will post back later tonight. ( maybe :))
 
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