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I've got a really nice shooting 22" Norc from Marstar. It's indexed perfectly. I've got NM sights front and rear. I love the traditional M14 rifle aspect of it. But I'm sitting here looking at it, and thinking how handy it would be to lose that 3.5" off the barrel, and the length of the flash hider and replace it with a short little brake.

So I'm guessing my question is, what is out there for short little brakes to run on a chopped and threaded barrel, and is there any gas lock front sights made for the Norc threads anymore?

Pictures would help. Thanks in advance.
 
I chopped one of mine. Threaded 1/2x28 and has an opened up 223 muzzle brake on it. I used the Dlask adjustable gas lock, you can put the factory sight back on it (although you'll probably need one with a taller front post) and it can be bought with either the Norc threads or USGI threads.

However if yours shoots nicely and you like it. I suggest just buying a shorty.....
 
Do it! I did and never looked back.

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http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_Light_Muzzle_Brake_Front_Sight_Base.html
 
If your rifle didn't shoot well with the factory barrel, I'd say go for it... But since it does, I agree with CanuckR, just buy a shorty & have both!

Cheers
Jay
 
An A2 flash suppressor will fit 1/2"-28 threads, is compact, and has a large enough ID for a .30 calibre bullet to pass through. M14 barrels do not have a big enough OD to take the 5/8" threads that are standard for most .30 calibre muzzle devices.

I would not hesitate to chop the barrel if you already have a 22" barrel and you really want a short barrel. Assuming a properly cut and crowned barrel you should not lose any accuracy, and may even see an improvement. The shorter barrel will be more rigid.
 
You're a gun nut...now that you have your current gun set up and tweaked and shooting just the way you want it, it's practically mandatory for you to start monkeying with it again! :)

Personally, I'd watch the EE for a DA Socom version. With the flash hider reversed so that it doesn't extend beyond the crown, you have the ultimate in non-restricted Norc-M14 handiness and yet retain that flash-hider look. Mine shoots great.
 
tdod101 said:
Do it! I did and never looked back.

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http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_Light_Muzzle_Brake_Front_Sight_Base.html
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The M-14.ca muzzle device is a treat! I highly recommend one.

As for chopping your barrel, I say do-it! :D or buy another Marstar rifle and chop it. I don't recommend buying a DA socom unless you can look it over real good (full tear down) in store to examine it. With the current crop of shorty's, pay very close attention to the receiver bridge, bolt lug undercuts, bolt roller and barrel indexing.....

Cheers!
 
notsorichguy said:
The M-14.ca muzzle device is a treat! I highly recommend one.

As for chopping your barrel, I say do-it! :D or buy another Marstar rifle and chop it. I don't recommend buying a DA socom unless you can look it over real good (full tear down) in store to examine it. With the current crop of shorty's, pay very close attention to the receiver bridge, bolt lug undercuts, bolt roller and barrel indexing.....

Cheers!
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This. This is why I don't want to buy a Norc shorty. Way too many issues. If I miss the 22" gun it'll give me an excuse to build another one on an American receiver of some variety.
 
When the Socoms came out there were several postings claiming that they showed better build quality than the run-of-the-mill M305's. Then I started to see threads started by owners with compound problems with those guns.

What's the current thinking on this? My own Socom shoots more accurately than the two older full-length guns I had before, and all three guns functioned properly right from the get-go (Socom was purchased used off the EE, the other two were bought new). Is this just a case of an extremely popular gun, with so many sold that a small percentage of lemons still amounts to a large enough number to draw attention? Or are they crap and I just got lucky?
 
jjohnwm said:
When the Socoms came out there were several postings claiming that they showed better build quality than the run-of-the-mill M305's. Then I started to see threads started by owners with compound problems with those guns.

What's the current thinking on this? My own Socom shoots more accurately than the two older full-length guns I had before, and all three guns functioned properly right from the get-go (Socom was purchased used off the EE, the other two were bought new). Is this just a case of an extremely popular gun, with so many sold that a small percentage of lemons still amounts to a large enough number to draw attention? Or are they crap and I just got lucky?
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My experience with them is you got REALLY lucky....

The local gun store doesn't have a fully licensed smith in the back. The fella filling in is a great fella, but a smith he isn't, he is a military trained armorer and a life long gun nut, so he knows quite a bit and is willing to tackle almost anything. Most of the precision milling and turning is tasked to another fella who comes in on weekends (he's a machinist) and I get called in to work on ARs and M-14 pattern rifles. There are also a couple of other fellas who come in to help out.

The owner of the store has received a total of 100+ m-14 pattern rifles, 60-70 of them being shorties, in from distributors in the last 18 months. He was selling them right outta the box, but called me in when he was seeing 1 in 3 returned for warranty work.

I have personally taken 50+ BNIB shorties out of the box, and done a full tear down. 20, repeat 20 were sent back to the distributor as "unsafe to fire". Another 15-20 were safe to fire, but pretty much parts guns IMHO.

YMMV
 
notsorichguy said:
My experience with them is you got REALLY lucky....

The local gun store doesn't have a fully licensed smith in the back. The fella filling in is a great fella, but a smith he isn't, he is a military trained armorer and a life long gun nut, so he knows quite a bit and is willing to tackle almost anything. Most of the precision milling and turning is tasked to another fella who comes in on weekends (he's a machinist) and I get called in to work on ARs and M-14 pattern rifles. There are also a couple of other fellas who come in to help out.

The owner of the store has received a total of 100+ m-14 pattern rifles, 60-70 of them being shorties, in from distributors in the last 18 months. He was selling them right outta the box, but called me in when he was seeing 1 in 3 returned for warranty work.

I have personally taken 50+ BNIB shorties out of the box, and done a full tear down. 20, repeat 20 were sent back to the distributor as "unsafe to fire". Another 15-20 were safe to fire, but pretty much parts guns IMHO.

YMMV
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40 out of 70 shorties being defunct are not good odds....
 
Well that's a bit disturbing. This gun is a shooter, 2MOA with surplus it likes and 3MOA with almost anything. Its accuracy has improved since I got it, I think largely because I got over my nervous expectation that it was going to blow up when I shot it!
 
Anyone have any recommendations for a company providing the cut/crown/re-thread for these rifles? I called tac-ord, and the man I spoke to said they are swamped... And to try calling back in March haha
 
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