Help with sale gone sour???

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9x19p said:
How's about you clear these pictures from the site, delete this thread, and figure this out privately. The same way the gun was bought and sold. Understand the implications if this goes further than cgn.

...Selling for a friend, at an unheard of reduction in price, for a rifle that has a fubar serial number... No matter how you see it, it doesn't look good. That said, I'll bet it's a factory error, and one call should answer that. Until then, clear this sh!t out of here.

To the buyer, bringing up the pal thing is a douchebag move. It's irrelevant to your complaint. I'd look at your trader rating and believe we're good to go. The same rating that ironically includes, "defect, no refund" as your only strike against.

Op, unless you believe 100% that the buyer re-stamped the gun, buy it back.
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This would be a very good idea . The rifle has certainly been restamped for what ever reason ; and Savage does not seem to have the new serial number in its system . For 500 bucks , the hassle might not be worth it if the police become involved , and it turns out to be a stolen rifle......this is the risk associated with buying used over the net....Good luck to both parties , but get rid of this thread ASAP !
 
But what about the friend that originally owned it? The seller didn't notice it either maybe? The sellers friend is where it all points at, as he was the initial purchaser.

a call to the authorities is in order, if not stolen/flagged, then no problem. If it is then there will be hell to pay, as the buyer has all info needed to prove it was purchased from someone. Then the seller would need to prove he got it from his friend, and so on....

Cannot see it done by Savage as it's not in their database.
 
To the buyer:

Call savage and ask
(I had a similar issue with a Remington and it ended up being a double serial number from the factory they re-stamped)
Since R204 already looked into that I have a feeling I know what they will say.

Then if it is not resolved call the RCMP and see if the gun was stollen and not a bad idea to report that the serial number was not damaged by you.

So once those are done, either a keep the gun for the price you paid (good deal)
Or go to the seller with the answer you got from the two phone calls and figure something out.
That being said, you should always detailed inspect upon receipt of anything you buy used when you get it...
Otherwise you can't really complain about the cosmetic stuff.


To the seller:

It sucks dealing with issues like this, do you have the pictures you took before the sale?
Is the serial number visible?

If the serial number was visible in the ad tell the buyer didn't look close enough...
He should have inspected the rifle upon receipt either way...


I can't tell you what to do, but personally if the rifle is in as good a shape as you sent it, I would consider giving a refund (based on the buyers trader rating, attitude, communication, proximity, etc.)
Should the buyer pay shipping... Then re-list the gun with clear descriptions of the issues and go on with life.




Imagine that I paid $2200 for a rifle that was missing parts and the action was not installed properly into the chassis. The seller only told me about filing the action screw (since the missing parts allowed it to protrude slightly, and he promised it was a sub MOA gun.

Once I contacted him and explained the missing parts, he did nothing to help me out.
Luckily I was able to find a machinist to make me some new ones and the gun is good as new.
Well.... Aside from a few cosmetic issues a used gun will have.
 
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Was the seller in this case the original owner? If so, he could check with the vendor to verify the rifle's history, and to verify the serial number the rifle had when the vendor sold it.
 
This reminds me of the only bad deal I ever had on CGN......

Seller posted a rifle at an amazing price, easily half of what it was worth.. He had positive rating.... I jumped on it and sent the funds and the rifle never showed and he dissapeared.... I later found out that he sold it to another member as well who didn't receive it either....

As they say, if it looks too good to be true.....
 
I agree with the fact that the original numbers are not made by the same method as the stamped number. Original mechanical and the over stamp by hand. To the seller if your friend is not 100% reliable you may be in for a pile of grief. Buyer do what you have to to verify and if it has been tampered with write off the $500 and hope at the end of the day, know, one way or the other, you are not in possession of a stolen firearm
 
It can easily be known where the defacing of the serial number happened in the chain.

the seller should be able to provide a picture with the seerial number on it, or the buyer should be able to see it on the original pictures enlarged. Or at leas some of the serial numbercarea.
 
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I can understand the buyer not noticing right away. I bought a savage 99f from a forum member in Manitoba last March under the guise that it had no tang crack. I received it, admired it a bit and put it in the safe to await rings and optic.few months later , I pull it out of the safe to mount a scope and , on closer inspection, I find it does indeed have a crack of 2" in length. I am sol at this point because I didn't inspect it butt to crown when I got it. This guy had and still has an unblemished trader rating. I never bothered contacting him due to the time frame between receiving it and finding the crack.
Having said this, the situation with the op's savage is different because the serial number has clearly been tampered with. The seller has some explaining to do in this case because I see no other assumption to be made here other than it's stolen. This is why I prefer to buy from people with a good rating but not a ton of transactions. The risk of this happening with the prolific "gun flippers" is fairly high because they buy and sell in such high volume. I would not be surprised if he bought it from someone to flip for profit.If I was the seller, I would need verification of the " buddy of his" who originally owned it and proof it isn't stolen.if I didn't get it , I would contact the RCMP for clarification.
 
RedApe said:
not only does it look suspicious because of that, all the other #s are electro stencilled and NOT stamped. the done over # is stamped only.

NONE of those #s are stamped, call up the RCMP and request that the serial # be run through their system for being stolen. give them both the # with a 6 and an 8. the electro # covered up is a 6.
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This.
I think even if somebody f*cked up at the factory and put a wrong or duplicate number, they wouldn't release it. And besides, in a modern factory everything is machine made by automation. There's not some little old man in an apron and granny glasses hand stamping rifles
Somebody didn't realize how hard stainless is to stamp.
 
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I'd say nothing sinister happened, its likely the production worker entered the wrong number into the engraver and the error was caught with a QA check and then stamped over with the correct number and released.
 
BigUglyMan said:
That looks suspicious as hell to me. The original number looks like it was a 6 and then the 8 was stamped over, apparently with a hand stamp. I do not like it, not one little bit.
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"They'll never know this rifle was stolen, now that I've changed ONE digit in the serial number!!!"

It looks to me like a bigger, deeper 8 over a smaller 8.
 
Also, the buyer took the low road trying to rat on the seller (on a public forum!) for not asking for a PAL, when he thought it was a violation of the criminal code of Canada.

He was fine letting this supposed violation of the criminal code of Canada stand, until he got in a dispute with the seller.

**** him. That was not a display of good character.
 
i cant tell whether the original number was a 6 or 8 but its obviously out of place. it was not stamped properly in the first place. if its programmed electro engraved or whatever how can a single digit mechanically fall out of place? why do people want to delete a thread on an issue we want to know about . i didnt know about these ways to check firearms and serial numbers.
 
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