New rifle build legal question

[Suputin]

Several hundred years ago conventional wisdom was the sun and stars revolved around the earth. To make this artificial construct fit reality, someone built a very complex machine that showed the heavens circulating around the earth.

The CFC is doing the same thing with a stupid law written without consideration of reality. The AR is entirely modular and caliber changes can be accomplished is seconds. No reasonable person is going to spend hours on the phone every time they want to go to the range.

Would you re-register your car if you painted it or put a different motor in it? The frame or in this case the lower is registered and that is all that really matters. That the rifle is not the caliber or bbl length listed on the reg cert is irrelevant.

 

[cr5]

To add to the multi-calibre AR fun, I have one lower and three uppers. When talking to the BC CFO, I was told they just wanted to register the rifle in the largest calibre.
So, to me (in BC) OP, you have started with a registered lower(frame), that, when you add your. 223 upper to, will need to be re-registered as a. 223 rifle, and if you get a 300blk upper will need to be re-registered again.
It's pretty painless, you just need your PAL and regi number, and five minutes on the phone.

Plus the 10-15 minutes sitting on hold waiting to get through. I have better things to do with my time than call and tell te CFO I'm wearing my blue shoes to the range today but I'll be wearing black shoes tomorrow. It makes about the same amout of difference to the classification of the rifle as a caliber or barrel length change does. Restricted, restricted, restricted, yup still restricted regardless of what upper or what shoes I put on.
The what if's are kinda pointless since you have 30 days to update their file. So if you forget to break it down or get caught shooting you say you put it together in the last couple days and you're legal.
Calling them regularly to change registration just boggs down an already overloaded and understaffed system. It's a stupid system set up by stupid people to try to make things awkward and difficult for us so we give up and sell off our restricted firearms.
When they make laws that make sense I'll follow them to the letter, until then I'll follow them as vaguely as they are written.

 

[Suputin]

When they make laws that make sense I'll follow them to the letter, until then I'll follow them as vaguely as they are written.

Oh Zinngggggggg! Nice one.

 

[smelly pete]

Plus the 10-15 minutes sitting on hold waiting to get through. I have better things to do with my time than call and tell te CFO I'm wearing my blue shoes to the range today but I'll be wearing black shoes tomorrow. It makes about the same amout of difference to the classification of the rifle as a caliber or barrel length change does. Restricted, restricted, restricted, yup still restricted regardless of what upper or what shoes I put on.
The what if's are kinda pointless since you have 30 days to update their file. So if you forget to break it down or get caught shooting you say you put it together in the last couple days and you're legal.
Calling them regularly to change registration just boggs down an already overloaded and understaffed system. It's a stupid system set up by stupid people to try to make things awkward and difficult for us so we give up and sell off our restricted firearms.
When they make laws that make sense I'll follow them to the letter, until then I'll follow them as vaguely as they are written.

I completely agree with you, but I believe my post is the minimum required by law? Just trying to help the OP.

 

[Local]

I completely agree with you, but I believe my post is the minimum required by law? Just trying to help the OP.

Only need to change reg information if the alteration is PERMANENT, and it must be done within 30 DAYS. Swapping tops is neither permanent nor do they know when it was done..

Local

 

[smelly pete]

Only need to change reg information if the alteration is PERMANENT, and it must be done within 30 DAYS. Swapping tops is neither permanent nor do they know when it was done..

Local

True, and I've never been asked to produce my AR papers which in turn might require me to bend the truth on what day of the week I plunked an upper on my lower. Although...I question how the word "permanent" pertains to any sort of firearms modification, and have no interest in spending time or cash in court to prove my interpretation. YMMV.

 

[Sqr]

Ok food for thought. An owner re-registers his completed lower by informing the CFO his completed rifle is a 5.56/223. Now the confiscation begins, what does the owner need to hand in? The entire registered rifle or the in completed lower that he purchased in the past?

 

[Local]

True, and I've never been asked to produce my AR papers which in turn might require me to bend the truth on what day of the week I plunked an upper on my lower. Although...I question how the word "permanent" pertains to any sort of firearms modification, and have no interest in spending time or cash in court to prove my interpretation. YMMV.

If you can take your upper off with your hands, which you can then it's not permanent. Removing an upper is the same difficulty as removing a magazine or stock. Regardless of what is or is not deemed permanent, prove the alteration has been in play for more than a month...

Ok food for thought. An owner re-registers his completed lower by informing the CFO his completed rifle is a 5.56/223. Now the confiscation begins, what does the owner need to hand in? The entire registered rifle or the in completed lower that he purchased in the past?

The lower is the controlled part. The rest are simply pieces of material that are legal for anyone of any age to own. The lower is what they get, nothing more.

Local.

 

[rommelrommel]

You're assuming the laws only change minutely. They could easily make all AR15 parts prohibited devices.

 

[baylisstic1098r]

Man, I didn't know I would open a can of worms.

I appreciate all the feed back and all info taken into consideration

Thanks CGN

Baylisstic1098r

 

[Sqr]

Several hundred years ago conventional wisdom was the sun and stars revolved around the earth. To make this artificial construct fit reality, someone built a very complex machine that showed the heavens circulating around the earth.

The CFC is doing the same thing with a stupid law written without consideration of reality. The AR is entirely modular and caliber changes can be accomplished is seconds. No reasonable person is going to spend hours on the phone every time they want to go to the range.

Would you re-register your car if you painted it or put a different motor in it? The frame or in this case the lower is registered and that is all that really matters. That the rifle is not the caliber or bbl length listed on the reg cert is irrelevant.

How many people re-register their Glock or M&P 40s when they use a 9mm barrel?

 

[Sqr]

If you can take your upper off with your hands, which you can then it's not permanent. Removing an upper is the same difficulty as removing a magazine or stock. Regardless of what is or is not deemed permanent, prove the alteration has been in play for more than a month...



The lower is the controlled part. The rest are simply pieces of material that are legal for anyone of any age to own. The lower is what they get, nothing more.Local.

That was my point so why is everybody fretting over re-registering the rifle when they change the upper.

 

[Sqr]

Plus the 10-15 minutes sitting on hold waiting to get through. I have better things to do with my time than call and tell te CFO I'm wearing my blue shoes to the range today but I'll be wearing black shoes tomorrow. It makes about the same amout of difference to the classification of the rifle as a caliber or barrel length change does. Restricted, restricted, restricted, yup still restricted regardless of what upper or what shoes I put on.
The what if's are kinda pointless since you have 30 days to update their file. So if you forget to break it down or get caught shooting you say you put it together in the last couple days and you're legal.
Calling them regularly to change registration just boggs down an already overloaded and understaffed system. It's a stupid system set up by stupid people to try to make things awkward and difficult for us so we give up and sell off our restricted firearms.
When they make laws that make sense I'll follow them to the letter, until then I'll follow them as vaguely as they are written.

You should see the effort involved when trying to register a non-standard AR caliber.