I am thinking of selling my Springfield XDM 9mm. Its a safe queen. I was wondering IF some one purchases what is the best safest (legal) way to send it to the new owner. I am pretty sure stores like Epps use couriers. Also who initiates the transfer? I am a little nervous about this.
Best method to mail a sold pistol
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OkayShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Zip tie trigger lock, if it doesn't have a cable lock included. Then zip tie the case. Tape mail the key outside the box. Or send it in a envelope. Canada post is fine, But needs to be signature required. Also wrap it in brown paper so to hide whats inside.
Normally the firearm owner starts the transfer being hes the one with all the required paperwork.
1. Get paid first and I am assuming buyer is in Canada.
2. Get the buyer's PAL
3. Call Firearms center and initiate the xfer, they will ask you about the buyer's info and Firearms info. Request for email notification when xfer is done.
4. You will get a ref #, you will provide to the buyer who will call in to complete xfer
5. Once completed, the CFO will provide final approval on the xfer. You'll get new certs and the STATT.
6. Ship via Canada Post ground and not via air. Firearm must be unloaded.
7. Put a trigger lock, some say zip ties are enough. Pack in a box, don't Mark anywhere that it is a pistol.
Hopefully I did not miss anything.
2. Get the buyer's PAL
3. Call Firearms center and initiate the xfer, they will ask you about the buyer's info and Firearms info. Request for email notification when xfer is done.
4. You will get a ref #, you will provide to the buyer who will call in to complete xfer
5. Once completed, the CFO will provide final approval on the xfer. You'll get new certs and the STATT.
6. Ship via Canada Post ground and not via air. Firearm must be unloaded.
7. Put a trigger lock, some say zip ties are enough. Pack in a box, don't Mark anywhere that it is a pistol.
Hopefully I did not miss anything.
winchesterjones
Regular
- Location
- Sharon Ont
I remember shipping my first handgun. Doesn't seem right just tossing a handgun in the mail.
But like he said lock it up. And zip tie it. You will need an ATT to take it to the post office. Even with this new bill out you techicially aren't the owner anymore. So from what I've been told you will need an ATT to transport it to the post office.
Package it so you can toss it down a flight of stairs and nothing will break. Canada post isn't exactly the most gentle of couriers.
But like he said lock it up. And zip tie it. You will need an ATT to take it to the post office. Even with this new bill out you techicially aren't the owner anymore. So from what I've been told you will need an ATT to transport it to the post office.
Package it so you can toss it down a flight of stairs and nothing will break. Canada post isn't exactly the most gentle of couriers.
Here is how it has gone for me in the past and as I buyer I felt most secure this way.
1. Make a deal
2. Seller provides PAL and Serial number of Firearm
3. Buyer initiates transfer (This way the buyer knows you and the gun is real before money is sent. The seller is protected as the transfer can't go through without the seller completing his end of the transfer)
4. Buyer sends money and transfer reference number
5. Money clears
6. Seller completes transfer
7. Once the transfer is approved get it ready to ship.
8. Get a STATT (it's no longer registered to you so you need an ATT to transport someone else's firearm)
9. Ship it
Here's what's required and which Canada Post option for shipping is available for firearms:
A zip tie isn't legally good enough, I know lots of guys do it and that's their choice, but by the letter of the law a secure locking device is required and here's the definition of secure locking device:
1. Make a deal
2. Seller provides PAL and Serial number of Firearm
3. Buyer initiates transfer (This way the buyer knows you and the gun is real before money is sent. The seller is protected as the transfer can't go through without the seller completing his end of the transfer)
4. Buyer sends money and transfer reference number
5. Money clears
6. Seller completes transfer
7. Once the transfer is approved get it ready to ship.
8. Get a STATT (it's no longer registered to you so you need an ATT to transport someone else's firearm)
9. Ship it
Here's what's required and which Canada Post option for shipping is available for firearms:
Reference: https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp#1389620
A zip tie isn't legally good enough, I know lots of guys do it and that's their choice, but by the letter of the law a secure locking device is required and here's the definition of secure locking device:
Reference: http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/FullText.html
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- Republic of Alberta
Trigger locks are so cheap why someone would risk breaking the law over $7 is beyond me.
OkayShooter
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Nova Scotia
Because they don't fit in the plastic cases you get with pistols if you get one.
For all of you proposing trigger locks let me ask you this: how many of the new guns that you received in the mail has trigger locks on them. How many came in locked cases?
Not one of the several restricted firearms that I have received from dealers has come with either, not one. Pistols and ARs in a box, that's it.
As a shipper I insist on insurance that the buyer pays for, it is cheap. Tracking? Of course!
Not one of the several restricted firearms that I have received from dealers has come with either, not one. Pistols and ARs in a box, that's it.
As a shipper I insist on insurance that the buyer pays for, it is cheap. Tracking? Of course!
I never get insurance. Signature required will pretty much guarantee the gun gets to it destination as the CP deliverer cannot just drop it at a door. Once you have received or signed for a package, it is almost impossible to make an insurance claim because it is impossible to prove you didn't cause the damage.
my non-legal background interpretation such that a reasonable person would believe that a zip tie satisfies both A and B of "secure locking device"
a) that can only be opened or released by the use of an electronic, magnetic or mechanical key or by setting the device in accordance with an alphabetical or numerical combination; and
(b) that, when applied to a firearm, prevents the firearm from being discharged.
I am not aware of the regulations specifically for manufacture's or businesses I can only speak to the laws that pertain to me personally and that is what I have provided in my previous post on the topic.
How does one meet the restricted transport regulations on the drive to the post office if they don't ship it as required by Canada Post?
You're welcome to ship any way you wish, but know that no matter how remote the chances, there could be consequences for your actions.
What if something happens within the delivery ? Let's say the package is open and your handgun has been stolen somewhere in transit period (yes it hapenned), Canada Post's basic reliability for package is $100 only, good luck for having back the remainding value $$$.
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