fed powrshok ON Game?

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WhelanLad

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hey fellas I tipped over a Stag with my 708, use the Federal blue box in 150gr and retrieved a Projectile.

200m angling toward, couple inches rear of high shoulder/ Spine shot. DRT, followed up an put the 2nd not much better than the 1st shot, but few inches forward. (I did not pre- range an assumed tad further)

Absolutely near no Lead left in her.......


A Friend tells me this is the Norm for Federal Powershok.

Anybody else?


thank you

WL
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WL
 
i had the same result with my 270 win in 130gr last year, didnt find any lead in the meat but i did find a similar looking piece of copper. My father-in-law convinced me to switch to a better bullet for hunting so now im using barnes lead free vortec. I didnt manage to find that one after the shot this year.
-John
 
The Velocity is so down with these though I wouldn't expect 2600 odd too do this? (2600 mv)

fair enough in a 7mm REM Mag or alike..
the corelokts in 270, 130gr I reloaded never done this. are Corelokt Cup an cores that much better?


or just a #### bullet?


clearly this is not a Speer Hot Cor? which Federal had previously loaded?

thanks
 
For the type of hunting I do - accuracy trumps all. Knowing the limitations of a cartridge is critical. Most times - I'm within the effective yardage of my rifle and get my deer or moose. Or I don't shoot. I rarely use a 30-30 anymore, because I prefer something with a bit more reach. So with the 30-30 in mind - I did use it more when I wore a younger man's cloths. So when I consider the question at hand - I think of the 30-30 and ask myself - what type of bullet is most often found on a 30-30. Most likely it's a Cup and Core. They work fine and are great to use - if they are accurate in a given rifle.
 
yeah I get what you are saying, although the thutty thutty lacks Velocity, which is the determining factor in weather or not a premium is a better option. or is a better option.

in 'lower' velocity cartridges , all day long C&C, for the moderate range velocity , a heavier C&C all day long, in the over 2800 class premiums sort of should be looked at depending ofcourse on Your own situation. eg with that, a tree stand whitetail hunt may not worry/ the big game hunter even if just solid muleys should look at premiums. couple hunts a year person V season Vet.



I do plan on finding a Hind for the freezer in a while, will aim for a standard shot an decide on the bullets fate

cheers
WL
 
A bullet that sheds its core has failed. If that happens on a broadside lung shot, it matters not in the least, but if the shot is more demanding, say rear quartering, or a shoulder shot, or if your cartridge or bullet weight is marginal for the game being hunted, the difference between a bullet that sheds it's core, and one that doesn't, becomes apparent. It might not mean the difference between getting the animal or not, but it might mean the difference of doing it with one or two shots and 5 or 6.

As for accuracy being the most important consideration in a game bullet, with the exception of very specific applications, I couldn't disagree more. IMHO, the design and construction of the bullet is the primary consideration, when looking for a game bullet. Choosing a bullet that is capable of quarter MOA accuracy when shooting off hand at a 16" target from 200 yards is akin to measuring with a micrometer and cutting with an axe. The more accurate a bullet is, chances are the less suitable it is for high velocity impact performance on heavy, dense game.
 
Boomer said:
A bullet that sheds its core has failed. If that happens on a broadside lung shot, it matters not in the least, but if the shot is more demanding, say rear quartering, or a shoulder shot, or if your cartridge or bullet weight is marginal for the game being hunted, the difference between a bullet that sheds it's core, and one that doesn't, becomes apparent. It might not mean the difference between getting the animal or not, but it might mean the difference of doing it with one or two shots and 5 or 6.
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Hard to understand how a bullet that dropped your game animal right there is in any way "a failure". You hit the spine. Just what did you expect the bullet to look like, a mushroom from an advertisement?? What you have there in your photo is the spent remains of the projectile on which the metal that did the killing has left. That bullet did exactly what it was designed to do. And the bullet did it so well that you filled your freezer. Keep up the good work and stop reading so many bullet ads!
 
I've shot a pretty fair number of deer and the odd coyote with this stuff. Never an issue, recovered a couple jackets, but I've always gotten a through and through.
 
shredder0 said:
Hard to understand how a bullet that dropped your game animal right there is in any way "a failure". You hit the spine. Just what did you expect the bullet to look like, a mushroom from an advertisement?? What you have there in your photo is the spent remains of the projectile on which the metal that did the killing has left. That bullet did exactly what it was designed to do. And the bullet did it so well that you filled your freezer. Keep up the good work and stop reading so many bullet ads!
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Its not that tough to understand; bullets that fragment on impact are varmint bullets, not big game bullets. Its not about what the bullet does when everything goes right, its about what it does when conditions are less than optimum. I'll happily spend a bit more for a game bullet that I have confidence in, provided its appropriate for the target density and impact velocity I expect. Lots of folks tend to forget that a bullet has two velocities, linear velocity and rotational velocity. If upon impact, the structure of the bullet is insufficient to hold it together, it fragments. Now there is an argument that this is beneficial when the fragmentation occurs within the chest cavity, but if the bullet is designed to fragment violently, you limit yourself to one viable shot, the broadside lung shot.

By the way, my opinion, and yes it is an opinion, is based upon the bullet failures and the bullet successes I've seen on game, not from reading adds. My job as a hunter is to kill game in as a humane manner as possible, and sometimes things go wrong. But they don't need to go wrong because I didn't use an appropriate bullet.
 
I agree with shredder0. The bullet impacted the spine. It may have been a nice looking mushroom shape until that impact. If that is the case like he said it did it's job. I think its silly to assume it grenaded on impact with the animal. I am no expert by any means and to date my big game tally is one whitetail. But if I had listened to all the naysayers I would never have shot that deer either. I shot it at a measured 338 metres, after the shot from where it had been standing to the tree stand I was in with a Winchester Model 71 with a fixed 4X side mounted Bushnell and a factory Winchester 200 grain silvertip cartridge. It did a complete pass through. The deer ran 25 yards and collapsed. We didn't bother with the forensics investigation but rather just gutted and skinned it and hung it up to cool. I just laugh when people call B.S on that one. I took it out of one of Deerdr's stands he invited me to hunt from. Here is the video I took. I mounted an Oregon Scientific Action Cam to the top of the scope with the handlebar mount. It fit the scope tube perfectly.

http://youtu.be/_mzlbyyihE4
 
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