Hunter now hunted: Animal activists protest trade show

They also can't (or won't) get their point across without name calling and derogatory remarks. Did you notice how that woman pounced on that poor guy just getting out of the car asking if he was an idiot? He may have been just using the washroom inside for all she knew. When you can't form an educated argument and are driven purely by emotion due to a willful lack of understanding people always turn to bullying, name calling and sometimes racially driven remarks. These people are no different.
 
Funny how they protest here in Canada to stop hunting in Africa but the Africans themselves have no big problem with it, in fact most encourage the idea. Why doesnt the media ever go ask them how they feel about it? Ask the locals that are around the hunt camps/
 
Good old Toronto folks....This protest took place within walking distance of Bass Pro in Vaughan. Unfortunately it is also within walking distance of where I live. Sad state of affairs
 
The protesters need to go to the African countries where their economy relies on hunting tourism. They will not be welcomed.
 
scott_r said:
Funny how they protest here in Canada to stop hunting in Africa but the Africans themselves have no big problem with it, in fact most encourage the idea. Why doesnt the media ever go ask them how they feel about it? Ask the locals that are around the hunt camps/
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Cause most of the hunters in Africa from USA and Canada , some from Europe . Africans lives together with lions and elephants .
 
It didn't seem to stop anyone from entering the show, I hope it was a success for the organizers. And I'd bet that half the protesters went home in their cars with leather seats.
 
EugeneLED said:
Do you believe in this ? I don't , it's private bizness , federal clerc gets his bribe and thats it .
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Clearly you have no experience with hunting in Africa. In countries where hunting is permitted the money spent on the actual hunt (not including gratuities to camp staff) goes partially to the government (depending on what area you are hunting in) and the rest goes to the community controlling the conservancy. The monies paid go toward paying for anti-poaching patrols (both government and privately funded thus reducing indiscriminate take by poachers using wire snares) as well as infrastructure projects which directly support the local communities. Then there are wages and gratuities which go to camp staff who would have limited employment prospects in the rural settings where hunting takes place. The guide at the fish camp in Zimbabwe where we spent the first few days of our trip told me that his son (he only has one child due to the cost of education) goes to school which costs $150US per subject per semester. A couple of days of guiding fishing clients gets him enough money in gratuities to pay for two subjects for his son for one semester. If we weren't there creating a demand for his services how would he support himself, his wife and child? Would his son be able to go to school and hopefully improve his lot in life? How would they eat? Would he have to set a wire snare and hope to catch something (anything) that comes along? If the small part I played in this cycle makes me a bad person in someone's mind, I'm truly sorry that they don't see the benefits.

The other red herring is that eco-tourism would pay as much or more than hunting. That's simply not the case. Some of the best hunting places are remote and don't have particularly high concentrations of game. Tourists are not going to pay to be taken to the thick bush of the Chewore hunting area in Zimbabwe (or the Sapi, Dande or Nuanetsi areas either) to get a glimpse of game. What they want is to go to a game reserve in South Africa where they can be guaranteed tosee copious amounts of game within driving distance their comfy safari lodge. That's great for large commercial conservancies, but it does nothing to help rural Africans. There is a time and a place for both approaches, and no one need exist without the other. Both are extremely valuable to the conservation of wildlife in Africa, and that's the name of the game.
 
BigUglyMan said:
Clearly you have no experience with hunting in Africa. In countries where hunting is permitted the money spent on the actual hunt (not including gratuities to camp staff) goes partially to the government (depending on what area you are hunting in) and the rest goes to the community controlling the conservancy. The monies paid go toward paying for anti-poaching patrols (both government and privately funded thus reducing indiscriminate take by poachers using wire snares) as well as infrastructure projects which directly support the local communities. Then there are wages and gratuities which go to camp staff who would have limited employment prospects in the rural settings where hunting takes place. The guide at the fish camp in Zimbabwe where we spent the first few days of our trip told me that his son (he only has one child due to the cost of education) goes to school which costs $150US per subject per semester. A couple of days of guiding fishing clients gets him enough money in gratuities to pay for two subjects for his son for one semester. If we weren't there creating a demand for his services how would he support himself, his wife and child? Would his son be able to go to school and hopefully improve his lot in life? How would they eat? Would he have to set a wire snare and hope to catch something (anything) that comes along? If the small part I played in this cycle makes me a bad person in someone's mind, I'm truly sorry that they don't see the benefits.

The other red herring is that eco-tourism would pay as much or more than hunting. That's simply not the case. Some of the best hunting places are remote and don't have particularly high concentrations of game. Tourists are not going to pay to be taken to the thick bush of the Chewore hunting area in Zimbabwe (or the Sapi, Dande or Nuanetsi areas either) to get a glimpse of game. What they want is to go to a game reserve in South Africa where they can be guaranteed tosee copious amounts of game within driving distance their comfy safari lodge. That's great for large commercial conservancies, but it does nothing to help rural Africans. There is a time and a place for both approaches, and no one need exist without the other. Both are extremely valuable to the conservation of wildlife in Africa, and that's the name of the game.
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So what happen then with "Legal Bow FamousLion hunter " He also paid BIG money officialy but something goes wrong.
 
EugeneLED said:
So what happen then with "Legal Bow FamousLion hunter " He also paid BIG money officialy but something goes wrong.
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He was acquitted of any wrongdoing wasn't he?.... If I recall, the guides used bait to lure the lion into their guiding area?

Even if he did do something illegal does the act of one person who hunted illegally mean nobody should be able to take part in a legal fom of the activity? Should you or I not be able to own guns because others have used them in an illegal manner?.... If that is your attitude then you are on the wrong website...
 
EugeneLED said:
Cause most of the hunters in Africa from USA and Canada , some from Europe . Africans lives together with lions and elephants .
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My point exactly, why not talk to the Africans who live with the lions and elephants , who have cattle and other livestock ask if they mind that a hunter shoot one. I bet you would get a real different answer then a white soccer mommie with a sign or the CTV. I can understand where your mindset comes from after seeing your location.
 
We need to stick to the facts and avoid emotional responses.
One can seldom win arguments with haters, but one can be viewed as sensible, polite and accurate with the arguments that one presents.
 
Superbrad said:
He was acquitted of any wrongdoing wasn't he?.... If I recall, the guides used bait to lure the lion into their guiding area?

Even if he did do something illegal does the act of one person who hunted illegally mean nobody should be able to take part in a legal fom of the activity? Should you or I not be able to own guns because others have used them in an illegal manner?.... If that is your attitude then you are on the wrong website...
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Far to many are judged by the actions of a few.
 
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