Joined the Tavor club. Got a couple questions

Just my preference, but I do like the rails. I have a GHW short rail on my gun and a full length for sale. I think the short is slightly lighter and the long slightly heavier. You do give up the integrated backups tho. I'm going to an Elcan and I think the buis on the elcan are serviceable enough for the odds of needing them.

Flex cover... I dunno. Not necessary and is a better for a single point as mentioned.

The GHW hand guard is ceracoted and not quite as cold as the others. It is also the best scout light mount, superior to the others.

I'm in the GVA too, if you want to see what some of this stuff is like pm me and we can work something out. I have the GHW flex cover and their scout hand guard on my gun right now.
 
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Cool, some good feedback. I'm having a hard time finding a buis where i dont mash my face against butt to get a good sight picture. Ill compare weight. Height over bore is a good point to bring up it does raise it another 1/4 inch and its already high as it is.

**edit looked on zahal andnthey say the razor back is lighter than te factory rail***

What do you mean by chamber checks and clearing easier? I was looking at the opposite side of the ehection port. Just looking for a better seal on the left side. Ive run both single and double slings and im definitely a two point preference so its strictly for gas control

Lastly, yea ill look into the weight again. I do prefer a light on all my firearms and the accessory rail is not a great option. I was thinking that a metal foregrip wouldnt be bad as i shoot with gloves (i have a tendency of bleeding during manipulations lol) and i thought the foregrip would heat up like a quad rail. And finally i shoot in vancouver area. -2 and rain is a catastrophic shooting situation for us lol

Use the factory BUIS that are built into the rail. They are only for back up anyhow and with a decent optic you should never need to use them!

The first thing I would do to modify the ergonomics is swap out to a Manticore Buttpad. They are not that expensive and really alter the whole ergonomical structure of your cheekweld enough that it may make having an aftermarket rail unnecessary for you. It also depends on the sight, some sights are designed specifically to fit the AR where there is approximately a 1/4" rise in height between the stock and rail height where as on the Tavor the stock and rail are all in line, so lower height sights that are design-based on the AR platform such as a Elcan Specter DR, Eotech XPS-2/3 and Trijicon ACOG Series as well as most BUIS. Then you have sights that work relatively well for the OEM height rail regaurdless of buttpad mods such as the Mepro M21, Eotech EXPS-2/3 and of course higher scope rings are an option.

The reason I said all aftermarket rails (to date) are heavier is because your factory rail has BUIS built into it that everyone seems to forget also add weight when you additional BUIS to your new rail. I have had the GHW full length and short Razorbacks. The long Razorback is definatly heavier than the OEM flat top rail (which has BUIS built in), the short Razorback is lighter than the OEM flat top, however if you factor in a Troy Rear flip up, and GHW front sight post, it becomes heavier than the OEM flat top.

The lightest possible solution with BUIS that I have found is a chopped factory rail still containing the rear integrated BUIS with the addition of the of the GHW front sight post.

As far as the reasoning of running with both ejection ports open, consider this: when you do a mag change on the AR, you first roll the rifle counter-clockwise to check the chamber, then either you roll or flick it clockwise while pressing the mag release to drop the empty mag and re-insert a fresh mag. For a Tavor due to the position of the mag release you can not comfortably or reliably drop the mag so you must strip it, as such the flick from a counter-clockwise to clockwise motion has no advantage, however if you roll it clockwise without un-shouldering it, you can check the chamber and strip the mag at the same time as there is one less motion. TV-PressPass first offered me this explaination when I seen him doing it it made so much sense I had to try and have not looked back. He also suggested that there are 2 ways to deal with gases:
1) hold them back as best you can
2) offer a rapid dispersion off the gases to avoid concentrated bursts.
So far I have had better luck running both open than with the OEM or GHW port cover. It also allows for quick lefty/righty conversion, and the more options you have to dig casings out and ckear the action.

Have another look at my Tavor on page one to get an idea of how to pack as much features into 9lbs 15oz as possible in the Tavor platform.
 
what is it, like 200 bucks. for a curved buttpsd up here while in the usa its 70 bucks with 10$ shipping, so we're paying double the price with taxes??.??.... like what the fack!... lol yah ok...
Kinda getting tired of the prices and the stupid games and lies we get told, i understand the dollar and ppp, i have a commerce degree, but that would make it 120$ so with taxes 135$ not 200$

saw one listed for 84usd, 27usd for import and shipping, then 12% tax, came to 182cad, so about 40$ too expensive.
 
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what is it, like 200 bucks. for a curved buttpsd up here while in the usa its 70 bucks with 10$ shipping, so we're paying double the price with taxes??.??.... like what the fack!... lol yah ok...
Kinda getting tired of the prices and the stupid games and lies we get told, i understand the dollar and ppp, i have a commerce degree, but that would make it 120$ so with taxes 135$ not 200$

saw one listed for 84usd, 27usd for import and shipping, then 12% tax, came to 182cad, so about 40$ too expensive.

Zahal has them for $95usd. Thats only $25 extra to get it to you in Canada. Leave the exchange, tax, and shipping out of it, as it has no place calculating the final total as those do not effect Zahal's end profit. Shipping shouldn't be to bad from Calgary for you guys anyhow.
 
To remove the 2 o'clock rail, do you need to completely disassemble the handguard, top rail and charging handle assembly?
 
Just throw some custom gun rails on the 2 o'clock rail and don't touch it.

I went elcan 1.5/6 love it. Ordering a 1/3/9 for my buddies tavor.

If you can afford it, geissele trigger and trigger pack are awesome.

Zahal is great for tavor goodies.
 
I found my Elcand tavor didnt match up with the BDC of the 1/4x with NATO spec ammo.

Any of the three guys (or anyone else with first hand knowledge) with elcans on their tavors above want to address this?

I wasn't aware the height over bore 3.6" or 3.7" compared to the Ar at 2.6" would be a problem?



I'm running a Aimpoint pro cause I haven't found the $2000+ for a Elcan.
 
Congrats on the new rifle! Got a good deal on a Mepro MOR (incl. vis + IR lasers) when buying mine, so went with that. Not into all the doodads and add-ons, so still stock other than that; except have removed those BU-BUIS too in pic.

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Thanks. Im going to shed the accessory rail and lining up the GHW rail. Ill probably explore one of the extended handguards in mlok and select a light to mount.

Still not sure on optic. I love my aimpoints but i want to have the option of 1-200m so im still jumping between maybe the vortex razor or spectre...
 
Anyone know where I can pickup a Geissele super sabra in Canada? Most places are out of stock. I have a lightning bow coming and I think it would compliment it well lol. Thanks.
 
So far I am just running a Vortex Sparc II that I had laying around, I have the 2x thread on magnifier from my original Sparc that works well on it too. I also removed the buis but I plan on keeping them for something else because they seem pretty good. I will be adding the curved butt pad and possibly try the lightning bow trigger and I am leaning towards the Elcan OS4 although I did consider a pst 1-4×.
Before this thread I haven't heard of anyone running without a port cover, I'm gonna have to look into that.
 
My choice in optics for the Tavor is the Vortex Razor HD Gen II 1-6.

I also just got some Tavor QD mounts. They are custom for the Tar-21. They cost me but I think they are worth it. I opted for the Stainless Steel. Here is the web
address if anyone is interested.
http://revolutionmachine.ca/index.html

Can you post some pics in other thread? Maybe the QD's half installed so we can see how it all fits?
 
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