2016 Kimber Montana

Salty said:
I don't get this. Virtually all gun manufacturers of high end rifles also make a more entry level model as well. What's the big deal? GM makes Escalades and Chevy Cruises. Sako makes model 85s and Tikka T3s. Does that take anything away from the high end units?

I'm with double gun.. well played indeed of only for the humour in it all :) . In these times especially trying to make a living exclusively on luxury items isn't a great business model.
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The big question is, if this is the same high quality barreled action as the high end guns, just in a cheaper stock, it might be their best seller.
 
Salty said:
I don't get this. Virtually all gun manufacturers of high end rifles also make a more entry level model as well. What's the big deal? GM makes Escalades and Chevy Cruises. Sako makes model 85s and Tikka T3s. Does that take anything away from the high end units?

I'm with double gun.. well played indeed of only for the humour in it all :) . In these times especially trying to make a living exclusively on luxury items isn't a great business model.
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Meh...I've calmed down a bit since my last post.
I'm not disputing anything you said Salty, as I am highly aware of how old and krusty I'm getting and how the world around me in all aspects has changed and is still changing for the "better".

I've sent lead downrange with Kimber firearms for a long time and seen both the good and bad produced from the company. I really felt that Kimber was unique and designed and marketed for the enthusiast not just the status quo.
I will admit to being saddened to see them offering an entry level rifle, but not shocked I suppose.
Certainly has nothing to do with "rifle snobbery", just never pictured Kimber walking that path.
I'll get over it!
I wonder if they will offer a 20 round magazine for it? :p
 
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They need a 30 rounder for sure ^ lol

In other news browsing through the paper the other day I see I can finally afford a Mercedes! Actually I could probably get two? No, not a high end roadster but it still has the goofy peace sign emblem . I think I'll pass.
 
DMS1 said:
The big question is, if this is the same high quality barreled action as the high end guns, just in a cheaper stock, it might be their best seller.
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A big question indeed.
Is Kimber paying 500$USD for a Montana stock that is mass produced in-house and inletted by CNC?
I wonder if they are consulting with Remington/Cerberus for tips on how to cut cost of manufacturing?
 
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If they offered the regular montana with a non threaded barrel in 6.5 creedmoor with the detachable magazine (if reliable and quality) and came in sub 6.5 lbs I would order tomorrow.
 
I don't understand the issue with the threaded muzzle? If you owned the rifle for 20 years and never removed the thread protector, what would be the difference????
 
DMS1 said:
I don't understand the issue with the threaded muzzle? If you owned the rifle for 20 years and never removed the thread protector, what would be the difference????
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Me personally I have had issues with them coming loose and changing POI as it changed the barrel harmonics (was my best guess anyways) If you use loctite or similar it gives a place in the threads for powder and gunk to collect. at least there was when I finally threaded mine off to clean ( possible corrosion spot if you leave it too long). I have no use for a threaded muzzle on a short action cartridge so It just adds to the cost of the rifle for a feature I don't want. muzzle devices are all the rage these days and I have them on the appropriate rifles aswell. Just don't see the point on this one. Others are likely to disagree it was just my opinion on what I would like in a Kimber rifle nothing more.

I had a rifle that when the threaded cap came loose it was out 6" at 200 yards. the last thing I want to think about when I am lining up a shot on a hunt that I have spent money and time on is "man is the cap tight" Even more so I would hate to miss a animal of a life time or worse wound one and then find a loose cap after the shot because it was a snap shot opportunity.

I don't know a lot about barrel harmonics but I would assume that they would be more important and have more of an affect on a smaller contour like you would find on a kimber or other lightweight rifle.
 
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Jayph said:
Me personally I have had issues with them coming loose and changing POI as it changed the barrel harmonics (was my best guess anyways) If you use loctite or similar it gives a place in the threads for powder and gunk to collect. at least there was when I finally threaded mine off to clean ( possible corrosion spot if you leave it too long). I have no use for a threaded muzzle on a short action cartridge so It just adds to the cost of the rifle for a feature I don't want. muzzle devices are all the rage these days and I have them on the appropriate rifles aswell. Just don't see the point on this one. Others are likely to disagree it was just my opinion on what I would like in a Kimber rifle nothing more.

I had a rifle that when the threaded cap came loose it was out 6" at 200 yards. the last thing I want to think about when I am lining up a shot on a hunt that I have spent money and time on is "man is the cap tight"
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You'll change your tune when the Liberals change the law to permit silencers in order to help us protect our hearing and to reduce noise pollution near populated areas.

:)
 
1899 said:
You'll change your tune when the Liberals change the law to permit silencers in order to help us protect our hearing and to reduce noise pollution near populated areas.

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That would be awesome for varmint/predator rifles and target rifles that get shot a lot but I wouldn't want the length and weight added to my hunting rifles when more than one shot is rare. Kimber must have changed there contour as many respectable gunsmiths wouldn't thread a kimber for a suppressor as they didn't feel it left enough meat for the weight of the device.
 
1899 said:
You'll change your tune when the Liberals change the law to permit silencers in order to help us protect our hearing and to reduce noise pollution near populated areas.

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we can only dream, it should be mandatory on hunting rifles like in European countries
 
Jayph said:
Me personally I have had issues with them coming loose and changing POI as it changed the barrel harmonics (was my best guess anyways) If you use loctite or similar it gives a place in the threads for powder and gunk to collect. at least there was when I finally threaded mine off to clean ( possible corrosion spot if you leave it too long). I have no use for a threaded muzzle on a short action cartridge so It just adds to the cost of the rifle for a feature I don't want. muzzle devices are all the rage these days and I have them on the appropriate rifles aswell. Just don't see the point on this one. Others are likely to disagree it was just my opinion on what I would like in a Kimber rifle nothing more.

I had a rifle that when the threaded cap came loose it was out 6" at 200 yards. the last thing I want to think about when I am lining up a shot on a hunt that I have spent money and time on is "man is the cap tight" Even more so I would hate to miss a animal of a life time or worse wound one and then find a loose cap after the shot because it was a snap shot opportunity.

I don't know a lot about barrel harmonics but I would assume that they would be more important and have more of an affect on a smaller contour like you would find on a kimber or other lightweight rifle.
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I own an Adirondack, and two Mountain Ascents- all have threaded muzzles, and are beat around on packs, in and out of aircraft a lot, just dropped one on the end of the barrel today on frozen ground as a matter of fact. Never, ever had a POI change from a loose thread protector, and I have found it loose once or twice.
 
Jayph said:
That would be awesome for varmint/predator rifles and target rifles that get shot a lot but I wouldn't want the length and weight added to my hunting rifles when more than one shot is rare. Kimber must have changed there contour as many respectable gunsmiths wouldn't thread a kimber for a suppressor as they didn't feel it left enough meat for the weight of the device.
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Most "gunsmiths" have near zero technical training, they just learn how to run a lathe. Even fewer understand material properties and are able to work out how much metal is required to hold the pressure, it's startlingly little away from the chamber area, look at a double rifle. Many are a nitro express sports barrels scantly thicker than a shotgun.
 
I imagine it would be a barrel by barrel issue. depending on stress in the metal and other factors. Just like some will throw a cold bore some won't. some are affected with oil in the bore and need a fouling shot some don't. some need a proper brake in some it has no effect. there is no 100% right answer. I made my decisions on what I want on a personal experience basis as do you. When you say you never had a POI change from a loose thread protector have you tested it out and at distance or just screwed it back on an all was good. Cause the one that was 6" off with it loosened off was fine and close to original zero when screwed back on. Just curious and not trying to challenge you.

No different than vehicles I have had two gm and two dodge products fail in under 50 000 kms and all my fords are rock solid and thats what I buy now from my experiences. However I am sure that there could be a 100 page thread on people who had fords fail and had great luck with the other two.... Glad you had better luck with your rifles when it came to loose thread protectors.
 
Ardent said:
Most "gunsmiths" have near zero technical training, they just learn how to run a lathe. Even fewer understand material properties and are able to work out how much metal is required to hold the pressure, it's startlingly little away from the chamber area, look at a double rifle. Many are a nitro express sports barrels scantly thicker than a shotgun.
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I don't pretend to play a metalsmith I was just passing on info i had read many times. For what it's worth it wasn't to do with pressures as much as they were worried that on a 308 bored older montana barrel they said after they removed the metal necessary for threading that there wasn't enough meat left in the barrel to support the weight of the suppressor hanging off the end. However it might have been strictly liability based decision. If Kimber hasn't changed the profile and is offering it as a factory option I am positive they did there research and all is good to go. I am not a kimber basher, I was really happy to hear they were chambering in 6.5 creedmoor and really wanted to make it my next rifle and I still might.

Jason
 
I don't see what the big deal is.
Have no doubt many would love to own a Kimber rifle but couldn't because of price. Maybe now they get one.
 
Jayph said:
I don't pretend to play a metalsmith I was just passing on info i had read many times. For what it's worth it wasn't to do with pressures as much as they were worried that on a 308 bored older montana barrel they said after they removed the metal necessary for threading that there wasn't enough meat left in the barrel to support the weight of the suppressor hanging off the end.
Jason
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suppressors can be very light weight or very heavy depending on construction and materials.

I would much rather save my ears while hunting by having one, ear plugs are not a viable or safe option for hunting
 
The thread protector on my mountain ascent has never come loose, its only hand tight. I check it regularly, during my hunt. Kimber tells you to do this. Its not a big deal. NO LOCTITE NEEDED. The mountain ascent is one of my most accurate rifle's in spite of its light weight.
 
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