See through rings, the FUDD mount! It works!

[mrgoat]

If a guy has a good quality fixed or variable, low power scope mounted on his rifle, like the one on your 88, the see through rings aren't much of a benefit. The scope works better than irons in low light, and doesn't give up much in terms of field of view. Then there's the cheek weld issue. Then there's the durability issue. I guess they might be better than the "flop over" hinge mounted rings since nothing moves, but at least the hinge mounted rings gave you a repeatable cheek weld. Even when see through rings were popular I didn't like them. With today's high quality, repeatable, QD rings, surely its time for see through rings to pass into history.

Well said, I also agree. To further, the see through rings were very popular here in Ontario because guys were buying cheap scopes, Tasco's and Bushnell Banner's etc. and they were failing at critical times, like when a moose was standing in front of them. So the see through mounts gave them security in the ability to have a option of immediately reverting to the iron sights. I know this for a fact because I sat around a lot of dinner tables many nights at hunt camps listening to the horror stories, negativity, and just plain ignorance fellas had to wards scopes in general. Most all wanted a scope for as few dollars as possible and then did not trust it. So the see through mount gained a strong following here in Ontario.

Now that scope technology in general is greatly improved and failures are not as common guys are more trusting of there scopes and these rings are thankfully disappearing. The purchase and proper installation of a quality scope and rings in the first place would have eliminated any need for these rings and like Boomer said the fellas would have had a far better cheek fit to there stocks to shoot properly. But the vast majority of fellas never touch there rifle from one year to the next. They go to Canadian Tire a week before the hunt buy a box of shells, take the rifle out some where and tack up a target. If they hit anywhere within 6"-8" of the bulls eye there happy rifle goes into the case and there gone hunting. Repeat process all over again next year.

 

[doc25]

They work well for bolt clearance in sporterized milsurps as well.

 

[stubblejumper]

Noted and expected the western guys to respond as they did.
Once you are used to it, cheek weld isn't an issue.
As I said, you can't expect it to be a bean field rifle, but out to 200 yards or a bit more, the set up works fine.
Light gathering ability of the Leupold is excellent, and the peep is fast, if you lift the scope to find it unusable for any reason.
Cheek weld on the aperture is just fine BTW.
Adding a pad would make the peep unusable, ain't going to happen.
Have I used the peep? Absolutely! Walking in thick bush with fresh snow on the trees is very hard to do with scopes. Yes, you can try to keep it under your armpit, or hope the brush doesn't snag the linkage on the flip ups and wreck 'em, or they freeze shut. Been there, done that.
I use this rifle a lot. The only one set up this way, and damned handy.
Never had it move, it's stronger than you might think.
Consider it an eastern set up if you will, as you will still find a lot of them in eastern hunt camps.
Line of sight is higher than the same scope with a traditional mount, but not higher than a large varmint scope, so I don't give that argument any weight.

Oh yes, I have a hinge mount, but on this rifle, it would require much taller irons to allow them to be used.

Yes I am from the West, but many of use Western hunters do hunt elk and moose at close range in the tall timber.

 

[readymixman]

I like the see through scope mounts. The majority of my hunt camp uses see through mounts, but we shoot deer typically within 50 yards or less in thick bush around Renfrew, Ontario. If you ever fall or drop your gun while out on a hunt at least you can be sure your iron sights will still work until you get back to camp to check your scope.

Here's my setup, Browning BAR .308 with a 3-9x40 Redfield scope with Leupold See Through Rings.

 

[ESP]

Looks fudd-tastic

 

[Salty]

Other than making the rifle real awkward and offering a great place for brush to catch and that you need the posture of a crow that can't fly trying to steal a snack off the table that's twice its height I think its a great system. I've hunted in a lot of real wet conditions and in snow carry the riffle muzzle up taped with a lens cap just on the objective. Never had a problem. But, it would be boring if we all thought the same

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Yes I am from the West, but many of use Western hunters do hunt elk and moose at close range in the tall timber.

Yes , and we've been down this road before, another site, and another time eh?

I'm just making conversation, I know you well enough to know there is no convincing you.

 

[Superbrad]

Well, I don't like using them but I sure like seeing them..... If I had a dollar for every time a high see through mounted rifle was leaned up against the wall at deer camp by my dad or one of the good old boys that brought me up on hunting was using I would be a well off guy......

Thanks for sharing Johnny

 

[John Y Cannuck]

Other than making the rifle real awkward and offering a great place for brush to catch and that you need the posture of a crow that can't fly trying to steal a snack off the table that's twice its height I think its a great system. I've hunted in a lot of real wet conditions and in snow carry the riffle muzzle up taped with a lens cap just on the objective. Never had a problem. But, it would be boring if we all thought the same

So, you have to remove the snow covered cap to shoot, while I just use the aperture.
We both know how much time you have when a buck jumps up at close quarters in heavy brush. Some times no time at all.

 

[Royzo]

The see through rings do work surprisingly well, all things considered. For close range they are quite handy especially in snowy/rainy conditions if you can't see through your optics. But in some types of bush they can be a real pain in the a$$ catching on branches. On the bright side, they make for a great carrying handle.

 

[stubblejumper]

Other than making the rifle real awkward and offering a great place for brush to catch and that you need the posture of a crow that can't fly trying to steal a snack off the table that's twice its height I think its a great system. I've hunted in a lot of real wet conditions and in snow carry the riffle muzzle up taped with a lens cap just on the objective. Never had a problem. But, it would be boring if we all thought the same

I use flip up lens caps. I flip up both caps with my thumbs as I shoulder the rifle so absolutely no time is lost uncovering the scope.

On the bright side, they make for a great carrying handle.

The rings or the scope? Most people are too smart to carry a rifle by the scope.

 

[John Y Cannuck]

I should point out that this mount does effectively change the way you mount your rifle, and no way would I want one on a hard kicking SOB.

On the bright side, they make for a great carrying handle.

Sadly, that question was asked years back on another forum, and the number of folks who admitted to having carried their rifle by the scope surprised the hell out of me. I guess people just don't consider what they do sometimes.

 

[Salty]

So, you have to remove the snow covered cap to shoot, while I just use the aperture.
We both know how much time you have when a buck jumps up at close quarters in heavy brush. Some times no time at all.

I guess I'm lucky I can reach the tab on the cover with my thumb from where my forward hand grips the stock. Just wonderin tho if your scope gets packed with snow wouldn't there be a good chance of snow being packed under the scope too blocking the sight line for the aperature? Just sayin. ha ha Truth be told though in a real gamey area in dense bush I often unsling and carry with one hand cocked and locked and the lens cap flipped open.

 

[Superbrad]

For the record, our backup rifle at camp is an unsporterized lee drilled and tapped with set of see throughs and a bushnell that is likely older than I am....lol..... I shot a wolf off of the deck with it at 150 yards a couple of summers ago....

 

[stubblejumper]

I guess I'm lucky I can reach the tab on the cover with my thumb from where my forward hand grips the stock. Just wonderin tho if your scope gets packed with snow wouldn't there be a good chance of snow being packed under the scope too blocking the sight line for the aperature? Just sayin. ha ha Truth be told though in a real gamey area in dense bush I often unsling and carry with one hand cocked and locked and the lens cap flipped open.

Of course that is a good possibility.

 

[Salty]

I do get a kick out of these see through mounts though and sure they'll do what needs to be done, and also the very Fudtastic Weaver tip off rings! I've got a pair that were gramp's that he used for his first 2.5 power telescopic device that he put on his Husqvarna and he didn't trust that aiming system as far as he could throw it. lol

 

[Eagleye]

I have thrown away at least a dozen sets of those rings that have been on rifles I bought second-hand.

I agree with Boomer 100% No real need for these rings in today's market.

Dave.

 

[bat119]

Looks to be a 1.5-5 Leupold mounted with a 70' field of view why would you want to use iron sights ? I shot a field mouse running through some snow at 15' with an 8mm using the same scope. My hunting buddy's still claim to this day I ruined all the meat by gut shooting it.

 

[stubblejumper]

I have thrown away at least a dozen sets of those rings that have been on rifles I bought second-hand.

I agree with Boomer 100% No real need for these rings in today's market.

Dave.

+1 No need at all.

 

[Superbrad]

Makes me wonder.... When two generations of "modern hunters" pass, what kind of crap have we put on our rifles that will be discarded by future generations...