CBSA confiscated my hc3r mag from my brownells.com order
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Truer words have never been spoken when it comes to govt.......pretty sad .
I wonder what would have happened if you had gotten them to take it out of the packaging before shipping it?
The thing the bugs me is when guys say dont fight it. It will give more ammunition to cap all 10/22 mags to 10 rounds.
We all know every 10/22 mag works with the charger.
Now that the charger is back in production. We just might see this in our future.
I tried to fight the BX25x2 mags as prohib unless pinned.
Btw, there is no such thing as a BX50.
It was a term Hical tried to use to sell them legally when they bought a box.
We all know every 10/22 mag works with the charger.
Now that the charger is back in production. We just might see this in our future.
I tried to fight the BX25x2 mags as prohib unless pinned.
Btw, there is no such thing as a BX50.
It was a term Hical tried to use to sell them legally when they bought a box.
wayupnorth
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they could never ban all the mags over 10rds.
i doubt i could even count as high as how many steel lips mags are in canada.
hell i know ive had mine since the 80's.
its just stupid that the packaging says Charger and thus makes the items prohibited.
i just have to shake my head when i think about this topic.
i think the whole thing that i find strange about this thread is that you can go down to the LGS right now and buy this exact brand of mag the HC3R yet importing them from Brownells is a no-no.
sounds like you just happened to find the on customs agent that has actually read his manual.
i doubt i could even count as high as how many steel lips mags are in canada.
hell i know ive had mine since the 80's.
its just stupid that the packaging says Charger and thus makes the items prohibited.
i just have to shake my head when i think about this topic.
i think the whole thing that i find strange about this thread is that you can go down to the LGS right now and buy this exact brand of mag the HC3R yet importing them from Brownells is a no-no.
sounds like you just happened to find the on customs agent that has actually read his manual.
Punisher-One
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Sorry boys but the RCMP address the issues with the Charger and the 10/22 in 2013. I knew I remembered seeing a bulletin about it. It is quite unfortunate, and I do not agree with magazine capacity laws at all in any form, but CBSA is just following the bulletin and the law.
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)
Special bulletin for businesses #72
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
1. Magazines designed or manufactured for both rimfire calibre rifles and handguns
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
Example:
Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 rifle and 15-22P pistol chambered for 22LR caliber:
the 10 round magazine is unregulated
the 25 round magazine is a prohibited device
Example 2*: The Ruger BX-25 magazine, chambered for 22 LR calibre, is designed and manufactured for use in the Ruger SR22 rifle, the 10/22 family of rifles/carbines and the 22 Charger handgun. As a result, this magazine is a prohibited device unless modified so its capacity is 10 cartridges or less. (*This information was not included in the original version of this bulletin, but was added on 2013-09-05.)
Special bulletin for businesses #72
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm
The fact is the BX25x2 did not say anything on the packaging about the charger. The only thing they could find was info on the dealers catalog saying it fits the charger. So because of this, they need to be pinned.
What's interesting is the same set of rules allow people to use some 10 round or greater (beowolf sp?) mags in semi auto centrefire rifles. Our laws don't make sense but they haven't really changed since I started shooting so it almost seems normal to me.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not anymore. A bulletin has come out stating that .50 beowolf magazines that can hold 5+ rounds of .556 are prohibited.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
What the packaging says is irrelevant. Those magazines are named as prohibited unless pinned to 10 rounds in bulletin 72 as I posted above.
Is the Bx25 and the Bx25x2 the exact same mag?
No, the bx252x2 is a new mag. Should fall under the same laws as the bc mags. Why are they not prohib? Answer is because of packaging and discription of use. The bx25x2 says nowhere on the ruger website or packaging that it fits the charger. So youd think it would be classed just as the bc mags.
If ruger was smart and called it something else, imo it would be legal.
The fact that it is close to the same name as the prohib bx25 makes cbsa look at it. Only when they looked at the dealers catalog did it say for charger also.
How as customers would we get this info unless we are dealers?
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
No I am not wrong on the .22 magazine issue. Did you even bother to look at the link I posted that specifically addresses the .22 magazine issue or are you just spouting off about something you don't know? I deal in facts and the RCMP website, which states specifically 10/22 rifle and Charger pistol as an example, states the magazines are prohibited if they contain more than 10 rounds.
To your nonsense about the beowulf magazine - I received a bulletin at work that all .50 beowulf magazines are considered to be prohibited if they can contain more than 5 rounds of .556/.223. So no I am not wrong about that either. I can't post the bulletin as it is not public but here is the letter from the RCMP with regards to the decision which was provided to Calibre magainze:
The 50 Beowulf Magazine In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine, generally by one or more of the following: widening the space between the magazine lips, changing the angle of the magazine lips and changing the feed angle of the magazine follower. The adaptations more efficiently feed the much larger diameter 50 Beowulf calibre cartridge. However, the original ability to contain and feed 5.56x45 mm NATO cartridges has not been deleted and the magazines remain serviceable for that purpose. The 50 Beowulf cartridge is centrefire and the AR platform rifles which use that calibre are semiautomatic. Thus, cartridge magazines for 50 Beowulf calibre firearms are prohibited if more than five 50 Beowulf cartridges can be contained in the magazine (subparagraph ii, as above). Magazines for the AR platform which contain four or five 50 Beowulf calibre cartridges present a more complicated situation. Such magazines will generally contain 11 and 14 cartridges respectively of 5.56x45 mm NATO (or 223 Remington) calibre. Since the 50 Beowulf calibre magazines are adapted from the original 5.56x45 mm NATO design and the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaptation, such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 mm NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and will be prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. Magazines have recently been manufactured in, or imported into Canada bearing markings suggesting they are exclusively designed for 50 Beowulf ammunition, and at four or five shot capacity, are non-prohibited magazines. This is simply not the case. All magazines for 50 Beowulf calibre AR platform firearms presently on the Canadian market are prohibited devices. AR Platform Upper Receivers You had also asked about 50 Beowulf calibre AR upper receivers. Your understanding is correct that they are not prohibited.
Yours Sincerely, Manager, Specialized Firearms Support Services Firearms Investigative and Enforcement Support Services Directorate Canadian Firearms Program Specialized Policing Services
If you don't want to listen that is up to you. I don't care either way if you'd like to get magazines seized a lose money. Not my problem. Please don't give other people here the wrong idea so they lose money also.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Irrelevant. The RCMP bulletin does state the magazine type - but the intention is clear. If the magazine works in both the pistol and the rifle it must be pinned to 10 rounds. It even looks like they are saying the LAR-15 magazines are a no-go now too.
So the RCMP bullitin from the RCMP is law? I'm sorry , I didn't know that the LEO started writing or Interpiting laws. My bad. Could you provide a link on the CC ,regarding this ?
So the RCMP bullitin from the RCMP is law? I'm sorry , I didn't know that the LEO started writing or Interpiting laws. My bad
In the last few days, I was reading all bulletins, law and forum opinions on the extra capacity LAR/Beowulf and other semi-legal magazines so i can decide which way to go and here is my "common sense" take on it. I am not LEO, lawyer or anti-gun activist
1. The law clearly intended to prohibit the ability to use ALL magazines above 5 rounds in EVERY semi-auto long gun.
2. There are loopholes in the current law which let some of the magazines slip through, which probably make them OK from legal standpoint.
3. There is clearly an intent by LEO/RCMP to enforce the law by it's intention. The loophole might be closed sooner or later.
4. I can clearly see someone be charged for possession of prohibited device sooner or later and I do not want to be THAT person.
5. I don't think that a clear intent to circumvent the law through a loophole is good enough as a defense in court and I am not willing to risk my hobby, license, time and money and ultimately my freedom for the ability to shoot extra 5-8 rounds from a legally questionable magazine.
That's my 0.02$
There has been people charged and charges have been dropped. I understood it as law, not a loop hole. This issues has been discussed before and it appears the majority think otherwise , but some people keep jumping on these threads and start a panic, every other week. Every one needs to do what they feel comfortable with and not take the advice of anyone on this subject , including my opinion . As for me, I'll continue to use my mags as always until it's determined by the courts that it's illegal.
