The BX25x2 is a different mag different product. That makes it relevant!
Is a bx25x2 the same mag as a bx25?
So by YOUR classification all 10/22 mags should be pinned!
The rcmp is a post, no the criminal code Dont mix the two!!!!
CBSA confiscated my hc3r mag from my brownells.com order
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The BX25x2 is a different mag different product. That makes it relevant!
Is a bx25x2 the same mag as a bx25?
So by YOUR classification all 10/22 mags should be pinned!
The rcmp is a post, no the criminal code Dont mix the two!!!!
Magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a rifle do not have a regulated capacity. However, magazines designed to contain rimfire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the handgun limit of 10 cartridges.
not WORKS but "designed or manufactured"
Canada's ENTIRE current firearm legislation is a disaster of emotional, political nonsensical jibberish.
Laws, rules/regs/amendments/bulletins....all layered on top of previously hair brained knee jerk ill conceived previous law all of which has been reactionary to a particular incident or crime.
And the entire mess monitored, meddled with, interpreted and implemented by the ultra biased, blindingly incompetent, all powerful RCMP.
And the best part is....this mess is ENTIRELY..and with a heavy biased hand..... focused on the rank and file regular citizenry who overwhelmingly obey the law in all aspects of their lives.....while the criminal element run amok.... oblivious.
Rigidly controlling how many rds are in your rimfire plinker while the gang member who has been involved in his 3rd shooting incident at the age of 19 is on bail...with a "court order not to have a weapon or consort with criminals".....??????????
Almost without exception...the 1st line when describing a criminal shooter in the media will state " is in breach of probation, and a litany of court orders to behave" as well as still awaiting resolution on previous charges.
Well .....this thread has spoiled my PJ's and coffee session this am.
On the flip side I am happy that my brother can have a Mare's leg while working in the remote wilderness of AB... where fellow workers have been killed by wildlife in the past...even tho it is a "pistol".....manufactured and packaged as such!!!! lol
Sometimes the hypocrisy and dysfunction work in ones favour!!
Laws, rules/regs/amendments/bulletins....all layered on top of previously hair brained knee jerk ill conceived previous law all of which has been reactionary to a particular incident or crime.
And the entire mess monitored, meddled with, interpreted and implemented by the ultra biased, blindingly incompetent, all powerful RCMP.
And the best part is....this mess is ENTIRELY..and with a heavy biased hand..... focused on the rank and file regular citizenry who overwhelmingly obey the law in all aspects of their lives.....while the criminal element run amok.... oblivious.
Rigidly controlling how many rds are in your rimfire plinker while the gang member who has been involved in his 3rd shooting incident at the age of 19 is on bail...with a "court order not to have a weapon or consort with criminals".....??????????
Almost without exception...the 1st line when describing a criminal shooter in the media will state " is in breach of probation, and a litany of court orders to behave" as well as still awaiting resolution on previous charges.
Well .....this thread has spoiled my PJ's and coffee session this am.
On the flip side I am happy that my brother can have a Mare's leg while working in the remote wilderness of AB... where fellow workers have been killed by wildlife in the past...even tho it is a "pistol".....manufactured and packaged as such!!!! lol
Sometimes the hypocrisy and dysfunction work in ones favour!!
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So the RCMP bullitin from the RCMP is law? I'm sorry , I didn't know that the LEO started writing or Interpiting laws. My bad
No the RCMP bulletin is the Canadian Firearm Program's interpretation of the law as it applies to the magazine in question in the bulletin. The opinion of the people paid to decide if a magazine conforms to the law or not.
I'm not saying I like it or agree with it but the opinion of the CFP does influence my actions and what I purchase and use.
Like I said if you want to buy or own these magazines knowing the possible consequences and the opinion of the CFP on their legality then that is up to you. If it ever comes to court maybe the Judge will believe your interpretation of the law over that of the CFP.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I can see your interpretation of that. You could very well be correct in your interpretation as well. However if, like the OP said, the magazine lists in the catalog as fitting the pistol then it would need to be pinned to 10 rounds.
You guys may be misinterpreting my points as agreeing with the convoluted laws we have surrounding magazines. I most certainly do not agree with magazine capacity in any form. Unfortunately neither you guys nor I get to write the laws and our "interpretation" simply doesn't trump the Canadian Firearms Program's interpretation of the law. I always want to make sure what I am doing is 100% unquestionably legal and I pass that advice on to people here. Ignore if you like.
I am telling you as a LEO we have received a bulletin telling us that .50 beowulf magazines are unquestionably a prohibited device as interpreted by the Canadian Firearms Program. Use that information as you will or disregard it. No skin off my back.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So are nunchucks and switchblades - neither of which are legal to own here in Canada.
If you read my post and my source for the Beowulf letter I never said that was on the RCMP website. It was a letter sent to Calibre Magazine by someone who requested the CFP's opinion on his .50 Beowulf magazines. It was actually a member here that brought it to the RCMP's attention and started this whole thing.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not very much gets under my skin anymore - especially things on the interwebz of all places.
Unfortunately one thing that does is poor legal advice given out as fact that could get someone in trouble and ruin their life with criminal charges. If certain people here want to disregard readily available information in regards to magazines that may get them in trouble that is those people's decision. That decision may have consequences and it may not. That is up to the person making the decision. I don't want to see someone else take that poorly interpreted legal advice (contrary to the CFP's interpretation) and get themselves in trouble.
Unfortunately one thing that does is poor legal advice given out as fact that could get someone in trouble and ruin their life with criminal charges. If certain people here want to disregard readily available information in regards to magazines that may get them in trouble that is those people's decision. That decision may have consequences and it may not. That is up to the person making the decision. I don't want to see someone else take that poorly interpreted legal advice (contrary to the CFP's interpretation) and get themselves in trouble.
You will not find this in law, this is simply an RCMP interpretation. RCMP is not a judge and does not set precedent. These are what I call Schrodinger's Mags.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I never suggested it was law. It is the Canadian Firearms Program's Lab's interpretation of the law as it relates to the magazines in question.
Then we agree. As far as the law is concerned, these magazines simply don't exist. If they don't exist, they can't be prohibited.
Punisher-One
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I wouldn't go that far. The magazines exist. If they, in the manufacturers catalog, state they can be used in the pistol they are dual use - according to the bulletin - and are prohibited - in the opinion of the RCMP's Canadian Firearms Program Lab.
If it ever actually did go to court with a charge you can bet that the CFP's interpretation would be evidence.
If the magazines in the manufacturers catalog do not say anything about the charger pistol than they are not prohibited as the manufacturer did not intend them to be used for the pistol.
That is my read on the situation. Agree, disagree, or disregard as you will.
The RCMP do interpret the law. They are the ones that decide if a firearm is a variant of a prohibited or restricted firearm and therefore are prohibited or restricted . Look at the Blaze47 a 22LR that share nothing in common with the AK but it's appearance. The lab made it prohibited as a variant.This was removed by the P.C. 's but will be reinstated by the Liberals
Obviously the magazines exist, they just don't exist in law. There is no such thing as a "dual use" magazine. Reminds me of the good old days of satellite TV, where Canadians could pirate US satellite signals with impunity....because they didn't exist in law, even though they obviously existed in reality. Reality didn't matter, only the law mattered.
There is no need for anyone to be charged, an opportunity to get clarity on this issue is staring us in the face right here. We should be crowdfunding the OP to challenge the CBSA and get his rightfully owned property returned to him. I assume there is some legal mechanism to do that?
There is no need for anyone to be charged, an opportunity to get clarity on this issue is staring us in the face right here. We should be crowdfunding the OP to challenge the CBSA and get his rightfully owned property returned to him. I assume there is some legal mechanism to do that?
The law gives the RCMP the power to classify firearms, it does not give them the power to classify magazines.
Useless speech ....
RcMP, is totally unfair,
best exemple, they told to all quebecois in 2012, 2013, 2014, they should registered all NR rifles , by the law , no one had to registered a NR rifle,
so rcmp, twist the law.
